Grandson of Nazi Enabler Decries Talking to Nazis
Boy, George Bush must not have liked his Granddaddy Prescott very much. Here’s what he just said to Israel’s Knesset:
Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.
Or maybe it’s just negotiating with Nazis that’s the problem–making tons of dough by serving as their banker? The Bush family doesn’t appear to have any problem with that.
George Bush’s grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
If we had a press corps with any historical memory, I guess, such a statement might get Bush in trouble (not to mention make it difficult for his hosts who invited a lame duck grandson of a banker to the Nazis to speak to the Knesset). But instead they’re likely to focus on the false claim that Obama wants to appease Hamas.
Think I catch a whiff of another Olbermann Special Comment in the oven. But Olbermann does not a press corps make…
I’d like to see Keith (metaphorically, of course) beat George Bush in the head with that oven.
Kevin Phillips book American Dynasty sure covers the involvement of Prescott Bush with the Nazis’
What a great read
I second the motion! Kitty Kelley’s Bush dynasty bio was pretty good, too, although it didn’t go as far back into the family history as did Phillips, nor did it address the financial aspects of the story nearly as deeply. She had a lot more on the emotional relationships within the neuclear and extended families, however. There was even one incident that aroused empathy for Dubya, albeit one that took place when he was about five years old. (Don’t worry. I brought my mind back to the present day and promptly sucked it up.) It had to do with his emotionally devastated parents’ utter lack of preparing Georgie for the leukemia death of his younger sister.
Phillips’s current book, Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism is also a Must Read. If he’s anywhere near as close to the target on this one as he’s been in the past, we’re in for a very rough ride for the next 5-10 years.
Admin question: I’m no longer getting the down-thread link to the subsequent post when the current one is EPUed. Is this just my bug or a withdrawn feature?
G.W. Dickbag also seems to be unable to unnerstan’ that his “great surge success” was predicated on negotiating with Al Qaeda.
-GSD
How long before the Knesset draws up legislation to deal with the Final Solution to the Palestinian Question?
Oh, geez, this is such a minor story, right?
Why is Bush not impeached yet? … talking out of both sides of his mouth for 40 long years … is there a special place in hell for hypocrites?
Actually, there is an entire wing of Hell reserved for the Bush family and their cronies.
Waterline deck on the Titanic? No, steerage was there; mostly our relatives.
Or a Press Secretary
EW, you could change the title to “Grandson of Nazi Enabler[s]…” George Herbert Walker, our Dear Leaders maternal grandfather helped bank roll the Nazi war machine. Poor little George didn’t stand a chance. Chicanery, a lack of morals and love of fascism are in his genes.
The time has long passed when we need to impeach and institutionalize this idiot in the WH. He is a certifiable sociopath. It is well that he cannot walk the streets alone as lord knows what he would do. He is a danger to mankind. He is a danger to himself.
Surely anyone, even with a modicum of decency would not have been so belligerent in his speech.
Those who feel that they are royalty never had any capacity for decency.
Some things never change… it’s all in the family…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/28/132555/06
I’m sure many here have already seen this in WaPo- GWB statement is in direct opposition to his SecDef Gates:
Gates: U.S. Should Engage Iran With Incentives, Pressure
Nomolos @ #8, this cartoon is for you:
Disasters Around the World
Thank you. Political cartoons are so much fun.
Obama very quickly came out with a pushback on Bush’s comments. Perino then lied. It turns out that before Perino came out with her lie, CNN had already published that White House aides confirmed that Bush’s comments were aimed at Obama and other Democrats. Perino then lied and said Obama had too big an ego and that the comment wasn’t about him. For details and links, I put up a longer comment on one of Glenn’s threads.
Can Perino be impeached? Usually she does not know what she is talking about…So? Or, she just lies. So? Ask Helen Thomas.
I’m still so mad at her getting away with calling Helen a liar when she appeared on The Daily Show. I doubt she can be officially impeached, but her credibility already has been impeached by the facts.
Boy I did not know this. I knew DP could really talk down to Helen Thomas. I didn’t like DP before, but calling her a liar low and disrespectful and just not very classy.
Judge for yourself. In the video, she clearly complains about Helen asking questions “not based in fact”. I have seen no evidence that anyone in authority ever called for any apology for this, let alone more serious consequences.
Suicide blonde. Dyed by her own hand.
Where was the spew alert?
Didn’t think I’d need one.
G.W. Fascist apparently doesn’t think the surge policy of giving $300.00 monthly bribes to purported Al Qaeda in Iraq in order to get them to stop fighting u constitutes appeasement.
Also, we are negotiating/appeasing with North Korea as we speak.
-G
Just repeating the message to catapult the propaganda.
-G
Bush is turning into Britney Spears, just getting more outrageous so he can get a little attention.
He’s wearing panties now?
No. That’s why we don’t need to see any pics of him getting out of cars.
And while they are at it, the people suing the Bush family should go after IBM because they provided the punch card machines that the Nazi’s used to do all of their very meticulous record keeping in terms of the concentration camps.http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
The reason I know this? Because those machines were made right here where I live. Not something we are really proud of here.
They can go after IBM after they finish with the Bush family. IBM can honestly argue that they have done much good since that time. The Bush family can make no such argument.
Better to be a nazi than talk to one?
Bush is dead set on cementing his role as the most loathed man in America.
-G
He’s in a neck-and-neck race with Cheney for that title.
Great post, Marcy.
Marcy hit the first two things that went through my mind, when I heard the American politician & Poland quote, too.
Our press corpse is dumbed down more than ever each day. But even the Israeli press – at least Haaretz, JPost and Jerusalem Times, who can be very scathing and unsparing when it comes to people with ties through business or family to the 3rd Reich, don’t seem to be willing to point out the rather obvious about Bush’s remarks.
And who was that American Senator who wished to “appease” Hitler? His name was William Edgar Borah.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edgar_Borah A Republican, of course. Even ran for the 1936 Repub Presidential primary. From that liberal state of Idaho.
George could have alsobrought up those appeaser presidents that went to Communist China, negotiated with North Vietnam, and started dismantling nukes with the USSR. Republicans as well.
Then again, there is a big chunk of the electorate who fell for W being a “good ol’ boy” they’d like to have a beer with. A “cowboy” with a fake ranch who never rode a horse and went to Yale and Harvard.
Just part of the American political landscape.
Like a windshield cowboy.
-G
Here is DP’s news background(courtesy of Wiki):While attending the university, Perino was active on the debate team and with KTSC-TV, the campus-based Rocky Mountain PBS affiliate where she served as host of Capitol Journal, a weekly summary of Colorado politics, and producer of Standoff, a weekly public affairs program. From there, Perino attended graduate school at the University of Illinois at Springfield (UIS)[2]. Perino obtained her masters at UIS in Public Affairs Reporting while also working as a daily reporter covering the Illinois Capitol for WCIA-TV, a CBS affiliate.
Perino then went on to work in Washington, D.C., for Representative Scott McInnis (R, retired) of Colorado as a staff assistant before serving nearly four years as the press secretary for Rep. Dan Schaefer (R-CO-Retired), who then chaired a House Commerce subcommittee on Energy and Power.[ Helen Thomas(her wiki is much too long)got her start in the early 1940s as a cub reporter and has covered every president since Kennedy. She’s a professional and basically one of the last great reporters we have now. Perino is what we used to refer to(when I was in the news trade) a ‘flack’ – she wouldn’t know the truth if it came up and bit her.
sadly, we have a press corps with an hysterical memory
Thanks for this, Marcy! Really hit my hot buttons this morning when I heard Bush on CNN. Just updated my homeblog comment to ask if John McCain will reject and denounce these comments. And now a second update–must link to emptywheel!
That’s what I’m doin’ to push this, pups… if you don’t have a homeblog, hey….spotlight’s the word. If the press doesn’t have…or doesn’t want to have…a historic memory, let’s give ‘em one.
Did my spotlight thing.
you can also leave comments here:
Jerusalem Post
Haaretz
Israel has so much faith in Bush’s plans for the oil producing nations of the middle east that they are going to electric cars nation wide.
Israel, much of the electricity is generated using fossil fuels. But Agassi said the plan was to use solar energy generated in Israel’s Negev Desert to power the batteries.
‘If all of Israel traveled by electric cars, you would need to add 6 percent to electricity production,’ Agassi said.
The batteries, weighing about 200 kg, will have a range of 160 to 200 km before needing to be recharged or swapped.
http://www.forbes.com/afxnewsl…..95246.html
If Israel really believed Bush could bring peace to the middle east wouldn’t they be buying Caddies? “By their deeds ye shall judge them” JC
i think we can nail Chimpy with this one,as in GUESS YOUR GRANDPA Presscott,who was banker to the Nazis,taught you all about torture and BLITKREIG (shock and awe)
And backing a loser in a war!
I would take Bush’s word for this. Being repeatedly discredited by history is something of a specialty of his.
Anybody else think the stink of Turdblossom’s behind this one? Fearmongering in two countries at once, hyperpartisanship while decrying hyperpartisanship. He’s the underbridge linking BushCo and McCainiacs.
I never thought Rove left, I do think Rove has been slipping though John McCain as the GOPer for President is handing us this election.
Jeez Louis… you don’t expect merkians or the press to know what actually went down in history do ya?
American corporations and bankers make money from war and are more than willing to do it from either or both sides. IBM did it with the 3rd Reich and there were others like W’s grand father.
Israel was a gift of guilt by the victors of WWII for the holocaust and antisemitism to the Jews. The Brits controlled Palestine and were getting kinked out of all their colonies so they offered it to the Jews. Trouble is, the rabies that went to look the place over after WWII didn’t want the non jews around and probably the arabs were not thrilled about living under a religious jewish theocracy. The fundamentalist Jews planned to separate the arabs from their land and like oil and water had no intension of living is a suspension of jews and arabs. Both sides struggled to rid the territory of the other. The arabs wanted their own state… those who were expelled from “Palestine”. Jordon was supposed to be their homeland, but the little King nixed that as he didn’t want to give up his thrown. Israel then was forced to defend her existence and this merged with her nasty racist policy of apartheid toward the indigenous population.
It seems that 60 years on, the arab countries are willing to accept the Jewish state, but not their hegemony over the Palestinians and would accept a two state “solution”. Jews won’t buy that because they have their eyes on all of Judea and Samaria. They want it all and have been taking the land acre by acre for 60 years.
Of course a single secular democratic state with freedom of religious practice rights is the way to go, but the religious zionists will have no part of sharing their country with arabs. Lovely.
I would like to see the present Israel “obliterated”… that is the apartheid government, replaced by a democratic secular inclusive single state. I suspect the neighbors would accept that if their was a overall peace agreement and armistice and we could stop pouring money into militarization and killing. But that is a cash cow for the MIC as noted above and so this is not going to happen.
Didn’t they say something about beating their spears into plowshares and pruning hooks in the bible? See they don’t even practice what they preach. It’s racism all around.
Israel is Signatory to International Criminal Court Treaty
Why yes I’ve notified the Hague, why do you ask ?
Good thinking.
did not know this
you know what?
I just had a great idea whenever bush brings up fascism;
we should always anser with;
“the grandson of prescott bush has some kind of nerve bringing up nazi enablers”
HA
force bush’s hand and make him actually denounce his grand dad by name, he will be forced to say;
“I do not condone what my grandfather did”
that’s gonna be a mighty bitter pill to swallow
‘Nuff said!
“some seem to say we should negotiate with terroist and radicals”
geez I thought Bush was going to Saudi Arabia today. Has he forgotten how many of the 9/11 suicide bombers were from that country?
And how about those right wing radicals in his administration that lied our nation into an unnecessary war. He had no problem dealing with them. Cheney “so”
and in many folks eyes in the middle east and elsewhere some of Israel’s leaders and policies are looked at as extremely “radical”
Bush’s travels abroad are a sign of the increasing irrelevancy of his Presidency. He can accomplish nothing here so he goes overseas to grab headlines hoping this will somehow change things. The reality is that besides the occasional Condi shoe buying trip Bush has done nothing for a Palestinian-Israeli peace settlement. Oh and the shoes? They have not had any effect so far on the peace process either.
The stiletto heeled boots were clearly a mistake–they imply power struggles and strife. She should try something friendlier, like ballet flats, or maybe boat shoes.
Laura Flanders has a new GRITtv video for whoever is interested!
I wonder what Cheney is doing while the Rovian sockpuppet is abroad.
– frequently wonder that as well – not so much him getting Bush out of the country, but just who is it in the entourage Cheney is trying to punk
“so” ing
here’s what we keep forgetting and really need to talk more about it whenever we have to respond to things like what the president said;
they always attack their oponents by calling us what they are
this administration is very close to nazi-ism in their actions, their record and their pholosophy
they get a kick out of attacking their oponents by calling those oponents exactly what they themselves are
wonder IF the JEWISH PUNDITZ ,Ms.Greenspan,Dan Abrahms,JERALDO ,Michele Malkin (by injection) etc…will be OUTRAGED by CHIMPY…bets on who will mention,it,even though some of their relatives fried cause of PRESSCOTT
Actually, according to HuffPo, Lie-berman says Bush got it exactly right.
Ask Reid when enough is enough!
when lieberman and bush start encouraging their own relatives to serve in their unnecessary and immoral wars…they might get a little undeserved respect. they are both spewing endless lies
I’m re-reading Vaclav Havel’s 1990 book, “Disturbing the Peace,” as I’m trying to understand the reasons for the suppression of some of Diane Benson’s plays about racism and sexual violence toward Alaska Native women. In the section of Havel’s book called “Facing the Establishment,” he makes some good points about how the underground idea distribution system that had grown between the Prague Spring of ‘68 and the mid-80s, was able to finally take on the lies, distortions and ommissions of the corporate state-run press. And win.
The key was to make your ideas open, transparent, true and useful. Avoid looking toward indecisive people in the middle for help. They’re in the middle because that’s where they want to be and will prefer to stay.
Neither the American nor the Israeli press will take on the absurdity of Prescott Bush’s grandson addressing the Knesset as he did and actually getting away with it, standing ovation and all, because the layers of cognitive dissonance inherent in this happening at all are so enormous.
Neither the American nor the Israeli press will take on the absurdity of Prescott Bush’s grandson addressing the Knesset as he did and actually getting away with it, standing ovation and all, because the layers of cognitive dissonance inherent in this happening at all are so enormous.
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forced dimentia….those who forget HISTORY doomed to…………
Now that he’s in Robert Fisk’s area of expertise could we expect Mr Robert to give us a few of his katana-sharp words in his Independent column this week?
Oh oooooooo,im remembering his talks about his dad………..really good stuff…of course he will not be able to fly here
how ya doin?
Of course you probably know that Havel was part of my PhD work.
I think that’s probably stored away in a fuzzy part of my brain, ew….
Reading “Disturbing the Peace” again is disturbing. Getting familiar with Diane Benson’s writings, especially her polemical plays, and looking at Havel’s “Protest” and “The Mistake” is eery.
I actually spent a chapter focusing on a pie fight between Havel and Ludvik Vaculik over whether Charter 77 should embraced small activism from everyone or more significant events from the leaders. Vaculik won the pie fight, largely because of the form of writing they were engaging in.
Love Havel. But he was wrong on that pie fight.
What do you recommend from Benson?
Her plays are unpublished. There are a couple of them in her MFA thesis for the University of Alaska that strike me as a lot like polemical plays from Eastern European protest.
“Would It Be Too Much” is a one-act play with three characters, from the late 90s. It was done for Out North Theater in Anchorage, and won great reviews and an award. I’m thinking of scanning it to place it into the second part of my article about her civil rights art.
Her longest written piece on the web is her encyclopedia entry on the Tlingit people. Almost all her other writing that is on the web is at her campaign site, and is totally different. Her only active play at this point is the ongoing work for HBO on the life of Elizabeth Peratrovich.
I had a Russian tutor who was from Czechoslovakia and in Prague at the time of the Velvet revolution. She describes it like a noospheric event where the heavy-handed party appointees and bureaucrats just became aware that their fiction could no longer hold because of the context of the prevailing public consensus.
Realizing this these people simply left their desks and abandoned their offices. Yeah, the chimperor has no clothes.
Crooksandliars and thinkprogress highlighted this quote from Holy Joe, one of his most ironic to date:
(emph. added)
http://www.crooksandliars.com
That’s Holy Joe doing a Full Rove with double twist. Did his kneepads wear out? Did he inhale too much Chapstick, or has his all-protein diet has led to brain dysfunction? He seems to think that the world is as ignorant as George Bush. Nothing explains the painful irony of the oh-so-politically-Jewish Mr. Lieberman defending a comparison of Barack Obama with a Nazi sympathizer on the floor of the Israeli Parliament.
It is Mr. Lieberman who is unable to tell friend from foe. Mr. Bush doesn’t care, as long as he hits out at whomever his people tell him is his current enemy. To him, everything is just politics. Being correct about the facts, making correct not infamous historical analogies, is as irrelevant as not lying about his golf score.
George Walker Bush demonstrates that not even a century and a half of Wall Street wealth is a match for the stultifying effects of inbreeding. His ignorance of the complexity of the world, his disdain for representative government, could not be clearer. He is the sorcerer’s apprentice with a wand and a mouth he can’t control. World opinion considers him the greatest threat to world peace. It should.
Quote was in 1939 by Senator William Borah. Yahoo told me.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/R…..rporation_(Documentary)
review there is presented by Sterling D. Allan and Mary-Sue Haliburton
[This from a review of the documentary, The Corporation at website above:]
Thanks, emptywheel, for this troubling reminder of history. The Corporation documentary delves into this shameful part of our history, among many. Reference to IBM here, but also how, for example, Coke company sold Fanta to Nazis … the “other side” of WWII, not to lose out on revenue over something irrelevant to their economic bottom line as, say, genocide.
Thank you for these quotes. How chilling they are.
Thank you.
IBM and Coke. As American as mom and apple pie?
The amorality of corporate brokers. It is chilling.
And they all continue to control and enslave. And pretty much going unchallenged. And unwilling to use the power of economic leverage for the common good. Only for their own aggrandizement.
23% of American income goes to the top 1% of Americans. Working their way to 100%?
Republicans are against mothers.
Yup. On the Congressional record.
Apple pie?
I call capitalism the new word for slavery. Workers don’t live on plantations, but the rest is the same more or less.
Robert Reich quote:
My Dad used to sing that song, “16 tons, what do you get, another day older and deeper in debt. St. Peter don’t ya call me, cuz I can’t go, I owe my soul to the Company store.”
I’m thinking self help books should be sending us back to a little more codependency. I think narcissism is destroying the earth. We don’t want to help out those needier than us. And the 1% gated community ruling class has taken such advantage of our lack of unity, our lack of respect for the Common Good. Patriarchal, competitive society v. partnership one.
Lambs or lemmings?
Well, I just bet all the Clear Channel stations would be driving bulldozers over Bush’s CD’s, if the had any. I know they hate people making critical statements about American leaders while on foreign property.
McCain’s Base — From PZ Myers at Pharyngula Blog:
National Flaming Racist Idiot Week
Bush’s speech writers, if not Bush, knew how flawed, how heinous was their analogy. They used it on purpose, in the one location that would get the most worldwide press coverage. Why? Possibilities:
To garner political support from paleo-con American billionaires. To garner support among ueber-right wing Israeli politicians and their financial and support networks in America. And from the Left Behind Base, which expects imminent global war as a prelude to the rapture. They may be vital in swing states like Florida and Ohio, and may tip the overall vote in solidly Democratic states like New York and California.
Bush’s remarks are also a signal, as if one were needed, that this election will be a Rovian war, fought without rules, without those prissy Geneva Conventions. Scalps readily bought and sold; political burning, rape and pillage expected. No parley, no prisoners, no quarter.
That won’t be news to the Democratic leadership. They know the character of the modern GOP as well as FDL’s commentators. So why make it so painfully public? Perhaps to incite an overreaction from Clinton or Obama. To put them off message, fighting the GOP’s game rather than the winning Democratic one of highlighting incompetence, the war, profiteering, healthcare and jobs. Perhaps it’s a desperate attempt to renew the GOP’s brand as the guardian of safety and security. If so, it, too, ought to backfire tremendously.
All excellent points…
The GOP’s tactics are intentionally mind-numbing, more Call of the Wild than White Fang. Bush’s inflammatory rhetoric doesn’t value being factually correct (though muddying the water is always useful) or correctly analyzing the topic of his speech. One reason I find Obama’s speeches more invigorating is that he attempts both those things.
Bush’s speeches are platforms from which he delivers signals to other audiences. Not unusual for a politician, but Bush takes this aspect of a politician’s work to the same narrow extremes he takes much else.
There’s also the standing question we should ask whenever Shrub delivers one of these zingers: What more important event is this behavior distracting us from?
Like it or not Hamas is a democratically-elected Palestinian political party which currently holds a majority of seats in the legislative council of the Palestinian Authority.
So yeah, unless we want to invade Palestine like Iraq we should have talks and negotiate.
So far the brutal treatment at the hands of Isreal have done little but strengthen Hamas and other like organizations.
We are becoming the Neo-Nazis in the eyes of the World.
I can only hope when Obama becomes President those responsible will be prosecuted for their War crimes committed against humanity.
Only then can we once again lay claim to being a just and lawful society and seek forgiveness of those whom we wronged.
Obama not only has no inclination whatsoever to do that, he will actively seek to have government “move past such partisanship”. There will be no assistance from Obama on this front; however, an Obama administration would undoubtedly free up a lot more information and truth so that outside groups, like us, can more easily get to the bottom of what happened during the Bush years.
Well a good start would be an Independent D.O.J. and real investigations into politicization of our Government institutions under the Bush Administration.
Bob, I agree. That is exactly why I am kind of vocal on this in the face of getting flamed by the respective primary candidate crews of bloviation. It is pretty clear that Obama will be the nominee. It is high time to start asking him, and getting him on the record, about supporting these various proposed efforts. He has, to date, been very thin; contrary to the belief of many. He will be looking for all support prior to the general, and must be locked down on this subject while we can. I guarantee you that if we do not do this, his inclination is to simply move past this stuff and accountability efforts.
There have been a lot of Demo adviser types that have been concern trolls in this regard – and that’s the reason that Pelosi pulled impeachment off the table. There’s this myth out there that if you come down in favor of real investigations with real penalties that the R’s will hit you over the head with it as being ‘too partisan’ and you’ll lose.
I personally think that approach would be wildly popular with everyone except the low-information faux news viewers – a number that grows smaller every day.
I am of two schools of thought on this, and both have the same curriculum. A) What you said, it would far more popular than many assume. Hell, professional sampling 2 or 3 years ago had 51% favoring impeachment. Has to be higher now; and would increase as the facts came out in the investigation B) It is what the freaking Constitution and Congressional oath to office demand in order to protect the Constitution. Doesn’t matter if it is popular or not; it is their duty.
The Republicans politicized impeachment by offering up Soap Opera Politics. Reading the news felt like being a voyeury; count me in the group of people who gave up and tuned out.
But now we have much larger problems than blue stained dresses. Enough ‘wandering in the desert’… where’s the leadership…?!
Conyers actually used the word “arrest”? Was he inebriated? That doesn’t sound like Conyers.
Not hardly the courtly John Conyers whose heart is usually in the right place, head too but if he arrests Rove which he should try as a symbol and throws his ass in a room in the Capitol, he should do it while Rove is on camera on Faux and I know some people here who will get quickly annebriated.
Joe Wilson’s “frogmarch” is still possible. Just wishful thinking!
Where the fuck is Senator Leahy?
Conyers has my vote, he’s doing the heavy lifting…
The House is outshining the complacent Senate
Let’s not forget that Hamas has said it recognizes Israel based on the Internationally recognized 67 border
http://www.washingtontimes.com…..54228/1013
Carter on the Matthews show recently
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/g…..inst-obama
Not to mention him and dick installing Hamas over the objection of Israel, and then, and this is the good part, blaming anyone they don’t like for Hamas to try to cover their dumb asses!
nothing like quality intelligence before an election, right?
Seems just about everybody on the blogs are talking about this, already I’ve updated four times to add links like emptywheel. But will the media give the Bush statements context…like his grandfather. Like whether he denounces his own SecDef’s efforts. Or will it be the same ol’ same ol’ Tweety vomit?
OT – keep on eye on this to see where it goes if it goes to court.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..black.html
“San Diego, CA – Blackwater’s permits were obtained through two companies it does business with: Southwest Law Enforcement and Raven Development Group. In March, the company obtained three permits for indoor improvements. Under city code, such permits are not subject to public hearings or appeals, Broughton said.
…But Lutz said, “If an applicant comes in and lies about what they are doing, I think the public should be able to appeal that…”
today’s mark fiore animated cartoon: blackwater business school
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..ebucky.DTL
More Info –
Toby Rogers Heir to the Holocaust — Prescott Bush, $1.5 million, and Auschwitz: how the Bush family wealth is linked to the holocaust
Still more info — the week before the Munich Conference, Prescott Bush’s firm, Brown Brothers Harriman, provided the letter of credit for the illegal transfer of 500 tons of tetra ethyl lead from Britain to Germany. Ethyl was the most important WMD of WWII — no TEL, no high octane gasoline.
Wall Street And The Rise ofh Hitler by Anthony C. Sutton
Chapter 4 — Ethyl Lead for the Wehrmacht
Let’s see:
1) Invades a country on false pretexts. Hitler or Bush? Both.
2) Tortures. Hitler or Bush? Both.
3) Builds ghettos for millions. Hitler or Bush? Both.
4) Liquidation of civilians in those ghettos. Hitler or Bush? Both.
I wish Godwin’s law could be widely applied in the analog world, so that everyone would instantly know that Bush has lost his argument.
There are many reasons to impeach Bush and his whole gang of constitution tearing up thugs. One problem is that you need a lot of people willing to back it and half the country lives in this false reality created for them by the likes of Rush, Fox and Sun Myung Moon. Having half your nation relating more like a cult than a political party, lacking any basic sense of proportion and absent reality is actually our nation’s biggest national security problem but no one will talk about in those stark terms. Even though this stares us all in the face everyday, it is ignored as the root of the nation’s problems. Half the country shuts out any information not approved by their cult leaders. You all know how they have demonized the media into cowering before them. This is a form of information control and is major mind control technique. You can go back to Newt’s GOPAC Memo for when they put “language control” into high gear. That is another mind control technique.
That said, let’s do keep in mind that that conservatism as a whole has been funded with billions in overseas cash and molded by an organization whose stated goal is the “natural subjugation of the American government and population.” That’s just for starters.
The Bush family has supported this group’s effort to subvert the political institutions not only of our nation but the world where they have built a juggernaut that will not be stopped, though the nation has ignored that also, so we are too late.
Here’s the latest: http://www.talk2action.org/sto…..6440/76200
And do the read the “wake up” and Nuefeld comments here – they will explain: http://scienceblogs.com/dispat….._again.php
The Bushes have helped what the first editor of the Washington Times, James Whelan described this way in a “must see” panel discussion:
http://video.google.com/videop…..#038;hl=en
“They (the Moonies) are subverting our political system. They’re doing it through front organizations–most of them disguised–and through their funding of independent organizations–through the placement of volunteers in the inner sanctums of hard-pressed organizations. In every instance–in every instance–those who attend their conferences, those who accept their money or their volunteers, delude themselves that there is no loss of virtue because the Moonies have not proselytized. That misses the central, crucial point: the Moonies are a political movement in religious clothing. Moon seeks power, not the salvation of souls. To achieve that, he needs religious fanatics as his palace guard and shock troops. But more importantly, he needs secular conscripts–seduced by money, free trips, free services, seemingly endless bounty and booty–in order to give him respectability and, with it, that image of influence which translates as power.” [James Whelan – 1991 CAN Panel http://tinyurl.com/yqqbmz ]
They might call GWBush a ‘flip flopper’.
Or a psychologically unstable individual.
Couldn’t have that now, could we?
All’s well; economy’s fine; nothing to worry about.
No flippin’ or floppin’ round here…
Go Joe Biden! http://www.americablog.com/200…..t-and.html
“This is bullshit!”
If Barack wants an attack dog for VP maybe Joe should be considered.
Sib
My preference for VP would be John Edwards. His experience in confronting corporate wrongdoing would be helpful in dealing with the exceptionally powerful lobbyists that Bush has spawned. He could do excellent work in revising national healthcare policy and in blunting the administration’s entrenched anti-labor and anti-consumer policies. That leaves these essential domestic policies in reliable hands, and leaves Obama free to tackle Bush’s wars, our warmaking and “intelligence” machinery (and its outsourced components) and the dog’s breakfast Bush has made of all our foreign relations.
Equally important is who Obama would choose as his Attorney General and his Chief of Staff. I think both need to be rough-edged, willing to take on anybody personalities, but who are nevertheless capable managers. There will be much to do.
As bmaz says, Obama would be inherently disinclined to “go after” the current regime’s bad guys. There’s a way to accommodate his personality, while still doing what’s necessary. That is to undo Bush’s unregulating of government and the economy. It’s a process that would document as well as reverse many of the wrongs of the Bush regime. That’s the essential winner’s role, in government as in the rutting season now upon us: it’s not getting mad or even with one’s competitor’s, it’s simply neutering their work.
Just after John Edwards dropped out both Senator Clinton and Obama picked up all of his talking points with the exception of stating what Edwards had said about lobbyist “no lobbyist in my administration”.
Will Obama be brave enough to say it? Hillary will not.
For a real healing in this nation the American people need to witness honest and just ACCOUNTABILITY for the false intelligence, torture, the DOJ scandal etc. The question will be whether Obama and his administration wants to skim over the surface as our country morally and spiritually implodes or do they want to reach down and clean out the rotten roots of this criminal administration.
Do they want a temporary fix or a more substantial healing and recovery for our nation?
Wow, more like this, please!!
If not VP, maybe senate leader? although I know there are other choices to replace the Reidster.
OH, my 96 is a reply to sibley’s comment about biden. sometimes my reply button doesn’t work. sigh.
more links
Agreement concluded at Munich, September 29, 1938, between Germany, Great Britain, France and Italy
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/munich1.htm
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WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER
By Antony C. Sutton
http://reformed-theology.org/h…..ll_street/
APPENDIX D
Letter from U.S. War Department to Ethyl Corporation
December 15, 1934
http://reformed-theology.org/h…..ndix_d.htm
Don’t let this one get away. Great work EW!!
I has spotlit it.
One more awesomely crazymaking “project our darkest evil” on the earnest and innocent — SOP from Bush and company.
Being Republican IS NEVER HAVING TO SAY YOU ARE SORRY, and after causing exponential destruction be sure to block the way of those cleaning up your mess.
The Canadians put in a UN resolution, The Responsibility to Protect. UN may invoke about helping Burma get aid through thug junta.
Couldn’t we appeal to UN to protect us re that resolution… God… we got enough issues… and could we as citizenry petition UN for protection from our insane leadership. The rest of the world is holding its breath waiting on us.
This is one more thing that shows he should be impeached… as we tiptoe on thin ice with these maniacs til (hopefully) 1-20-09.
The AP’s take on Bush’s speech:
http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD90M7PH80
“It was an embarrassing speech, a collection of slogans that somebody wrote for him in order to be nice to Israel, or what he thinks is Israel, and to steer well clear of anything concrete,” said Israeli lawmaker Yossi Beilin, a member of the dovish Meretz party and one of the prime architects of the Oslo peace accords. “It’s a shame and a scandal, in my opinion.”
Did you by any chance get or make a copy of the article? When I clicked that link, it said:
Perhaps
its author is having their ass chewedit’s beingsanitized, revised, and and made to conform with Bu$hCheney — or Israel PR requirementsedited at present?It would be nice to compare versions, and AP sometimes has ‘version comparison’ features. This would be a good time to use that feature.
http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD90MAUAG3
Bush leaves it to Olmert to push Mideast peace
By TERENCE HUNT – 1 hour ago
JERUSALEM (AP) — President Bush gently urged Mideast leaders to “make the hard choices necessary for peace,” leaving it to embattled Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to stand before a divided parliament Thursday and forcefully declare that this war-weary nation is ready for a historic agreement with Palestinians.
On a day mourned by Palestinians as the 60th anniversary of their uprooting by Israel’s independence, Bush mentioned the Palestinians only once in a 23-minute speech to the Knesset — and then only in the context of what a Palestinian state would look like six decades from now.
Some Israelis and Palestinians were disappointed that Bush failed to use his high-profile appearance to push the two sides to take the concrete steps to achieve his own goal of a peace deal before the end of his presidency.
Most notably, Bush’s speech ignited a political uproar on the campaign trail back home.
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama lashed back after Bush condemned “the false comfort of appeasement” and said that “some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.”
The White House insisted the remark was not aimed at Obama and that Bush was repeating standard U.S. policy. But Obama issued a statement accusing Bush of using the 60th anniversary of Israel’s founding “to launch a false political attack” against him. Obama has said that as president he would be willing to meet personally with the leaders of such U.S. adversaries as Iran, Syria and Cuba.
Five months after Bush launched the first serious Mideast peace talks in seven years, the effort seems to have run out of steam. Olmert, facing his fifth criminal investigation in two years, is weak and unpopular and his support in parliament is unclear. The Palestinians are weak and divided, as well, and decades-old disputes remain unsettled.
Bush, in his remarks, did not delve into the obstacles but skipped to a rosy scenario 60 years ahead.
“Israel will be celebrating the 120th anniversary as one of the world’s great democracies, a secure and flourishing homeland for the Jewish people,” Bush forecast. “The Palestinian people will have the homeland they have long dreamed of and deserve — a democratic state that is governed by law, and respects human rights, and rejects terror. From Cairo to Riyadh to Baghdad and Beirut, people will live in free and independent societies, where a desire for peace is reinforced by ties of diplomacy and tourism and trade.”
He did not explain how that would be achieved. Bush predicted Iran and Syria would be peaceful nations and that the Islamic militant groups al-Qaida, Hezbollah and Hamas would be defeated.
On a five-day Mideast trip, Bush flies to Saudi Arabia on Friday and to Egypt on Saturday.
Bush’s speech was seen as a missed opportunity by some on both sides.
“It was an embarrassing speech, a collection of slogans that somebody wrote for him in order to be nice to Israel, or what he thinks is Israel, and to steer well clear of anything concrete,” said Israeli lawmaker Yossi Beilin, a member of the dovish Meretz party and one of the prime architects of the Oslo peace accords. “It’s a shame and a scandal, in my opinion.”
Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said of Bush: “He could have been much different. We expected the president to really tell the Israelis that to really live in peace and security … the occupation must end and an independent Palestinian state must be created. This would have been the speech we expected but unfortunately we didn’t hear it.”
White House press secretary Dana Perino said the speech was intended as a celebration of Israel’s founding. “It’s not meant to be a kitchen-sink speech,” she said.
It was left to Olmert to make the most forceful case for a peace agreement as Bush listened a few feet away.
Olmert spoke of an accord “based on two states for two people, a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace. This agreement will be approved in the Knesset by a large majority and will be supported by the vast majority of the Israeli public,” Olmert said.
There were murmurs and stirring among some lawmakers at Olmert’s prediction. The prime minister turned to Bush and joked that the president’s aides had probably told him the Knesset is “calm” and “tranquil.” Bush chuckled. Two hardline lawmakers walked out in protest during Olmert’s address.
“Israel has no stronger desire than to achieve peace with our Palestinian neighbors,” Olmert said.
Olmert also cautioned Bush about Iran. “The threat is not aimed at Israel alone,” he said.
Most Israelis favor a peace agreement and the idea of an independent Palestinian state. However, the public is skeptical about reaching a deal under current conditions.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is widely seen as being too weak to carry out an agreement, and many Israelis fear that if Israel withdraws from the West Bank, it would follow the same fate as Gaza, which was taken over by the Hamas militant group last June and is now a launching ground for rocket attacks. Most Israelis also oppose dividing the holy city of Jerusalem, a key Palestinian demand.
Olmert also has suffered from low popularity since Israel’s inconclusive war in Lebanon in 2006 and, more recently, a new corruption investigation. A poll this week showed 60 percent of Israelis think Olmert cannot promote peacemaking because of the latest police investigation into his conduct. The same number think he should resign.
Palestinians marked the day with rallies, sirens and black balloons, recalling the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who either fled or were driven out of their homes during the 1948 war over Israel’s creation. Palestinians call it their “nakba,” Arabic for catastrophe.
Before appearing before the Knesset, Bush toured Masada, the ancient fortress on a plateau in the desert overlooking the Dead Sea. It is said to be the place where Jewish rebels killed themselves and each other 2,000 years ago rather than fall into slavery under the advancing Romans army. Thursday night, Bush hosted a reception at the Israel Museum, which houses the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest biblical manuscripts in the world.
Associated Press writers Dalia Nammari in Ramallah and Josef Federman in Jerusalem contributed to this report
Thanks for quoting the whole article. I hear that its been yanked by AP for editing, and others here have suspected that the paragraph characterizing Preznit Boosh’s speech is the main concern.
Anyway, I know the Palestinians say they want it, but the “Two State” solution amounts to de facto Apartheid, and takes us backwards, not forwards. I am hoping that President Obama will do a better job of bringing the two sides together. I hope he makes Jimmy Carter his primary advisor.
Bob in HI
Ditto!
I also want to get a copy of Bush’s Israel Museum reception guest list. If I can get a copy, I’ll explain my reasoning later for wanting it…it’s just a wild arse guess, but I think the guest list will let us know approximately when we are looking at another war…
Thx mary02; neither link seems to work for me. Strange…
That does appear to be actual reporting in that piece. So much content, so little space to comment. But THIS was mighty interesting, eh?
Marcie,
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest…..714AAKi023
Working on double sourcing it.
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest…..714AAKi023
Working on double sourcing it.
Related to topics Bush and from Michigan.
Conyers on Rove: “Someone’s Got to Kick His Ass”
I wonder how and when and where this asskicking will happen because Conyers’ track record at asskicking is not so much if any that I can remember. It’s about the subpoenas–no one gives a shit when they issue them–or no one from this administration maybe Joe Schmoe spec on the wall does.
Conyers on Rove: “Someone’s Got to Kick His Ass”
By Paul Kiel – May 15, 2008, 2:44PM
House Judiciary Committee Chair John Conyers (D-MI) forgot to keep his voice down when there are reporters present:
Just off the House floor today, the Crypt overheard House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers tell two other people: “We’re closing in on Rove. Someone’s got to kick his ass.”
Asked a few minutes later for a more official explanation, Conyers told us that Rove has a week to appear before his committee. If he doesn’t, said Conyers, “We’ll do what any self-respecting committee would do. We’d hold him in contempt. Either that or go and have him arrested.”
The chairman seems to have been having fire for breakfast lately, pursuing the testimony — with the threat of a subpoena — of a number of former administration figures, including Dick Cheney’s consigliere David Addington. And of course he’s also been pursuing Rove to testify about the prosecution of ex-Gov. Don Siegelman (D-AL). Yesterday, in somewhat more diplomatic language, Conyers refused Rove’s offer to testify in writing.
I mean ole Bush is givin’ up his golf as a sacrifice for the mothers who have lost sons or daughters (rarely) in Iraq afterall.
Don’t know where @78 came from, that was in response to Pete.
Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama should always offer to give suspected terrorists and enemmies of the state the following items. A Bible, a key, a cake and thousands of dollars worth of missile enhancement parts.
That way they will be treated as a hero, the way Oliver North was.
-GSD
OT – A wee tidbit sure to interest ya’ll:
Did anyone see Hardball this afternoon. Chris Matthews “done good”. This dillweed Kevin James was commenting about Obama and his response to Bush’s “appeasement” charge. He went on and on about the usual crap, referencing Neville Chamberlain. Finally CM asked him what actually Chamberlain did. And the guy wouldn’t answer. CM kept pushing and he eventually said, “he was an appeaser” CM said what does that mean. KJ wouldn’t answer and finally CM says “you don’t know, do you?” Mark Green was sitting there just watching this spectacle. This was priceless !!!! For all the crap we give him, this was a good moment for him. Maybe he is starting to “get it”
Video at TPM
I can only hope that Bush et al rot after being tried for war crimes. It would be poetic justice for their entire family and what it has done to more than just America. An ongoing embarrassment to our nation, plain and simple.
Since they have already been charged with war crimes, it’s just a matter of time. It won’t happen before he leaves office (assuming, of course, he does – on his own accord), but I am hopeful that we will see this man and his criminal cohorts tried and convicted.
If there had been people in the way of my Digging this article I would have knocked them down.
My brother is a police officer. I told him that he should refuse to talk to any criminals he arrests because talking is appeasing.
-GSD
“alleged criminals”
1. If W is really so upset about the Nazis in WWII, he should pay reparations out of the family trust. Because it’s pretty clear that his family fortune came from helping Hitler kill jews.
2. 3rd on Hardball- Tweety (wait, what are we calling him now, because of the red hair? “Gossamer?” ) even got in a shout-out to Pig Missile!
3. This whole thread is EPU becuase EW did a self-Godwin. Of course, Bush did it first… so by the rules of the internet, he automatically loses and the world moves on. Minus ten points for actually doing it live, in Israel… talk about poor taste.
How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II
Bushie is goin’ through a very hard time. He’s in the throes of golf withdrawal sacrificing during the Iraq fiasco for the mothers of dead soldiers (American and Iraqi) and he’s really bummed out that the 2.5 million Iraqi refugees who have no roof over their heads and go without food couldn’t have been chompin’ down on the wedding cake in Crawford where all the sacrificers gathered.
I mean shit if the mothers of the dead saw his slice you can imagine the clustefucktastrophe.