Bhutto

Given my well-known complaint with those who have long underplayed the importance of Pakistan in our foreign policy debates, I feel like I have to say something about Bhutto’s assassination. But so far, the most intelligent thing I’ve seen written on Pakistan comes from AmericaBlog’s AJ:

The first thing to say about Bhutto’s assassination is that any kind of rush to judgment, especially along the lines of impending doom, is probably imprudent.

Unless Musharraf planned this assassination as part of a larger campaign to reimpose his power, I would imagine things are–and will remain–in a state of flux for some time. If Musharraf didn’t plan it, only sort of allowed it to happen with inadequate security, and instead Islamic extremists pulled it off, then Musharraf himself may be subject to a lot more pressure from those extremists. But we don’t know–and I’m not convinced we’ll really know for sure for some time, if ever.

And while AJ warns against seeing this as a collapse into anarchy, it seems clear that Bhutto’s assassination devastates our Pakistan policy. Here’s AJ again:

In terms of policy implications, this is reflective of a massive US foreign policy blunder, in that the Bush administration, in a monumentally stupid move, shoved Bhutto down the throat of Musharraf (and the rest of Pakistan) as a savior, despite her lack of broad popular support and general reputation as corrupt. In making someone who didn’t necessarily have the ability to deliver the savior for democracy in Pakistan, we simultaneously set up our own policy to fail and offered Musharraf a return to (or continued) total power in the event that our little power-sharing arrangement didn’t work. We also — though not only us — painted a big fat target on her back. Really a debacle all the way around.

And here’s Robin Wright and Glenn Kessler in the WaPo:

But the diplomacy that ended abruptly with Bhutto’s assassination yesterday was always an enormous gamble, according to current and former U.S. policymakers, intelligence officials and outside analysts. By entering into the legendary "Great Game" of South Asia, the United States also made its goals and allies more vulnerable — in a country in which more than 70 percent of the population already looked unfavorably upon Washington.

Bhutto’s assassination leaves Pakistan’s future — and Musharraf’s — in doubt, some experts said. "U.S. policy is in tatters. The administration was relying on Benazir Bhutto’s participation in elections to legitimate Musharraf’s continued power as president," said Barnett R. Rubin of New York University. "Now Musharraf is finished."

And here’s Chris Nelson (via Steve Clemons):

Flawed as she was, Ms. Bhutto was really the only "candidate" the US had with the capacity to make and enforce some kind of a deal with Musharraf, and to set in motion a return to something resembling normal political life and liberalization. Right now, US policy is in shambles.

Though to be more exact, I think it safe to say Condi’s policy is in shambles. Which suggests that, short of unquestioning support for Musharraf led by the Dick Cheney faction in the Administration, the US is going to have an increasingly difficult time influencing the future of Pakistan at precisely the time when the situation may grow more chaotic. And in a panic to sustain whatever stability possible in Pakistan, we may well see Cheney’s foreign policy approach regain ascendancy in this Administration. Though what that means if this was indeed an Al Qaeda attack, with or without the complicity of pro-extremist members of the military and intelligence services, I don’t know. If Al Qaeda did pull off this dramatic attack, and if the attack leads in some way toward Musharraf consolidating his power (or at least cracking down definitively on opposition), then unquestioning support of him is the last thing, it seems, that we ought to be doing. That is, a Cheney scenario may lead us, once again, to funnel uncontrolled dollars into the hands of our enemies.

That said, one of the most interesting possibilities–though this has to be a long-shot–is that Bhutto’s party will find a way to mature from the charismatic party it has always been and develop into something more robust. David Rohde suggests that Aitzaz Ahsan is one name being considered to replace Bhutto as head of her party.

Also being mentioned Thursday night as a possible new party chief was Aitzaz Ahsan, the prominent leader of the lawyers’ movement. Mr. Ahsan was jailed after the Nov. 3 state of emergency was imposed and remains under house arrest.

Mr. Ahsan is an articulate, Cambridge-educated lawyer and a forceful critic of the Musharraf government. But he had a rocky relationship with Ms. Bhutto. According to several members of the party, she resented his high profile as the leader of the campaign to reinstate the chief justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, after he was fired earlier this year.

Alternately, the experts Nelson cites spin a best-case scenario in which the "lawyers revolt" can adopt the mantle of moderate opposition.

Our experts say if some semblance of order can be restored, and something resembling a real election scheduled, and held, perhaps former caretaker Prime Minister Qureshi. . .or, more likely, Chief Justice Chaudhry, fired by Musharraf. . .may gain mass public support as an alternative to military rule.

Recall that Chaudhry’s sacking, which set off the dramatic "lawyers revolt", saw well-dressed professionals in the streets. . .by the thousands. It was seen at the time as "the collapse of the center" which might herald a collapse of the Musharraf regime.

Of course, those are both pipe dream scenarios and the US will have very little influence over whether they could happen. Which given the clusterfuck that is the Bush foreign policy, may well be a good thing.

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65 replies
  1. merkwurdiglieber says:

    Pakistan was the big domino that the WOT was to uphold. Irony is AQ was
    produced by the ISI and Saudi intelligence… Musharraf is no moderate
    in any way, he is a product of the Pakistani Army which is nothing more
    than a nuclear armed madrassa. Dick pulled the plug on Condi’s plan, Mush
    will do whatever it takes to hold on and we will congratulate him. Bhutto
    got played.

  2. chisholm1 says:

    Pakistan is always described–is never NOT described–as being “a vital ally in the war on terror.”

    But can someone explain to me what, exactly, Musharraf has done for us? What makes Pakistan so vital? What quo have we gotten for our quid?

    • BlueStateRedHead says:

      More precisely to have stopped indirectly supporting terrorism via his ISI guys, methinks. A head spinning situation, even with EW’s excellent parsing. Sorry not to be of more help, and have to get back to work. Am trying to connect with a Pakistani friend who knows people in the lawyers’ movement. Will report when I do.

    • skdadl says:

      Musharraf’s assignment from Cheney was to secure the northern border with Iran — ie, Baluchistan, where there was a troublesome nationalist movement interfering with Cheney’s plans. The U.S. now has, I believe, three military bases in Baluchistan.

      Musharraf faces a multitude of troublesome and often conflicting national problems, most of which do not interest Dick Cheney. It seems pretty obvious that al-Qaeda and the Taliban in the northern border provinces have always fallen into that category. American foreign policy has not seriously addressed Afghanistan since 2001; that has been left to NATO, and Dick Cheney does not care about dead Dutch and Canadian soldiers. They are window-dressing; they make it look as though the Bush administration has allies. And pressing Musharraf on that score would have been too much, so that’s the trade-off that was made.

      Cheney cares about Iran; he always has; and the historical evidence (or lack of same) is there to prove it.

      I am very sorry about Bhutto’s murder, and I don’t understand why she was played that way, but she was mistaken to join these gamblers imho.

      • bigbrother says:

        Well put skdadl:
        She was definetly ‘played’ as a pawn in a larger game and she said as much. She had been powerful but was marginalized. The Cheney/Bush calousness in this to me is obvious. Iran is Shia and Pakistan is Sunni. Irans regioanl ambitions are naturally resisted by Suadi Arabia.
        The fear mongering by this event is unjustified. Pakistan has a growing economy and is not about to tank or let extemism prevail. USA needs to stop the policy of internal meddling. That is causing more trouble.

  3. radiofreewill says:

    Another Middle Eastern Country telling US to “Get Out!”

    Isn’t this the Expected Greeting a Cowboy Diplomat should get the Second Time around the Circuit?

    This is called Reaping What Bush has Sown.

    Bush gets rejected for his own Ideological instability – Nations can’t overcome their differences if Bush is in the mix – so they Remove him to regain their own Freedom to do what’s in their best interests.

    When are We going to ’see’ that Bush is Unfit for the Office of President?

  4. DefendOurConstitution says:

    Regardless of who was guilty and of what happens in Pakistan we will hear the talking points load and clear:

    – 9/11
    – Al Qaeda
    – Bhutto WAS asssinated by Al Qaeda
    – 9/11 (namy times)
    – Only a Republican can be President in these times

    It seems old and tired, but it’s worked several times and we can be sure they will try it again. After all: “what can they loose but fear itself?”

  5. looseheadprop says:

    Though to be more exact, I think it safe to say Condi’s policy is in shambles. Which suggests that, short of unquestioning support for Musharraf led by the Dick Cheney faction in the Administration, the US is going to have an increasingly difficult time influencing the future of Pakistan at precisely the time when the situation may grow more chaotic

    The tug of war beween Condi and Cheney just shifted again. he may be a hack, but a least she arguably sane. Shooter is just batshit crazy, it sucks that he has the upper hand again

  6. bigbrother says:

    Marcy a sorely needed post clarifying a bit the state of things.Over at FDL they hit the panic button, just what bushco would like a little more Shock doctrine.
    This assasination was a reaction to the BUSHCO attempt to influence internal politics in Pakistan. Bhutto was the secular PPP party’s vehicle to compete with the SUNNI majority in favor of business interests. Mussarif was never going to oppose the Sunni majority who had invited a Sunni back from Saudi Arabia to run for Predident. They do not want a woman leader either unlike India Hindi leaders.
    We need experts in ME politics to deliver our foriegn policy not the CIA undercover operations. Pakistan is the second largest Muslim country in the world and it is completely unnrealistic to impose our will on it. It has a long history of military rule. The nukes are not going anywhere.
    We need impeachment now. If we had impeached theses idiaots this would not have happened. Now the PPP has no charismatic leader. Way stupid.

    • PJEvans says:

      If we had impeached theses idiaots this would not have happened.

      It probably would have happened whether we impeached Darth or not, because it’s happened before: Pakistan is not now, and has (AFAIK) not ever been, a democracy.
      The world does not revolve around us, no matter what politicians and pundits think, and we are not responsible for everything that happens.

    • jdmckay says:

      from your PBS interview, in response to question: What should US do?:

      STEPHEN COHEN: Short term, we should make a special effort, send the vice president, send another senior official to meet with Pakistani politicians, not just with Musharraf, but the politicians, and tell the army that, this time, there should be a reasonably free election.

      right’o. geezus…

      Oddly, Cohen’s suggestion of Cheney as emissary demanding “reasonably free elections” is a skill, the implementing of which, deadeye has experience with.

  7. TheraP says:

    To add to what EW has given as good resources on Pakistan, related to Bhutto, I’d recommend the last 3 guests on the PBS News Hour last night. They all pretty much agreed with each other and seemed to have a very nuanced view of the situation in Pakistan and how all the players, including Bhutto, bear responsibility for the current situation and a lack of addressing the many problems in Pakistan.

    (don’t waste your time on the previous guests is my recommendation)

    Here’s the url for a transcript for the last 3 experts:

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..12-27.html

  8. MadDog says:

    My SWAG (with absolutely no science involved *g*) is that as has been the case for decades, the military/ISI/wealthy political elite will continue to maintain their grip on Pakistan regardless of the Pakistani street.

    Neither Musharraf’s self-inflicted troubles, the Bhutto assassination, nor the January elections (should they occur) will undo this fundamental fabric of Pakistan’s power.

    The roiling of the surface in the end does not disturb the leviathan that dominates the deep.

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      Mad Dog, you might want to read Juan Cole’s post of 12/27. He makes a case that the reason the middle class turned against Musharef, and supported the laws and courts, is b/c there is a growing middle class that needs a decent legal system in order for businesses to function. You might find it quite interesting.

      PJEvans, truer words were never spoken. The world does not revolve around us.
      Is it time to hope that Putin has some of his thugs keeping a cold, clear eye on nukes in Pakistan? Because it’s also in his interest that they not be used. Here’s hoping.

  9. bmaz says:

    Who could have ever predicted this might result from the brilliant Bush/Rice/Cheney Pakistan policy?

    I’m going down to the airport to buy one of those vending machine life insurance policies on Aitzaz Ahsan, cause he looks like a dead man walking….

    Confusius say country that rely on lawyers, dressed like IBM clones from the 60s, taking to the streets for it’s salvation is truly fucked….

    • bigbrother says:

      You have good humor much appreciated. When you walk into the Tiger cage beware don’t stick your head up…it was a matter of time. Now PPP has a martyr. Sad.

  10. BayStateLibrul says:

    My head is ready to fall off.
    I’ve watched and listened to the events in Pakistan,
    and after each anaylsis, I’m more confused. Shit, Shakespeare
    was right, “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.”
    The common thread though, is that we are fucked because
    diplomacy died when the Supremos elected Bush.

    • bmaz says:

      “The common thread though, is that we are fucked because diplomacy died when the Supremos elected Bush.”

      There. Fixed it for ya. This is, now, the equivalent of E=mc2; basically explains everything we face.

      • BayStateLibrul says:

        Thanks…

        This is OT, but Clemens has ripped out a page from the Republican playbook, plus, it has this juicy Texan quote, “he (Hardin) has a ferocious charisma ‘slicker ’n deer guts on a doorknob.’”
        http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..awyer.html

        Watch this drama play out:

        Act 1 – Mitchell releases Steroids Report
        Act 2 – Clemens goes batshit, claims his innocence on You Tube
        Act 3 – Clemens announces his own “Hardin” investigation (ala DOJ)
        Act 4 – Clemens appears on Dan Rather’s 60 Minutes (ala Cheney on Pumpkinhead)
        Act 5 – Clemens declares war on MLB
        Act 6 – Hardin finds no weapons of enhanced performance.
        Act 7 – Bush pardons Clemens.
        Final Act – 5 years later, Clemens elected to the Hall, in a teary statement says he owes his life to Baseball and finally admits that mistakes were made.

        • bmaz says:

          Rusty Hardin is one hell of a lawyer; I absolutely guarantee you he will work this case into the ground. MacNamee and the Mitchell Report are in for a bumpy ride. Hardin has worked with, and learned advanced tricks of the trade from Racehorse Haynes, a larger than life legal legend. At big time trial lawyer conventions and seminars, the stories of their exploits are the stuff of legend.

        • BayStateLibrul says:

          Yeah. Mitchell doesn’t have the DNA…
          So, it’ll be “he said/he said” (Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill)
          Clemens has nothing to lose, and the Hall to gain, so it will
          “all balls forward”.
          I know this is unkind and unlawyer-like, but Clemens is a
          lying sack of shit…

        • bmaz says:

          That may well be; but give Rusty Hardin a couple of hours and he may well have you convinced that sack of shit is a pot o gold. There are more than a few, but still a limited number of great lawyers running around out there, and this guy is legitimately one of them. Either way, should make for a fun show…..

        • freepatriot says:

          big deal

          I don’t give a fuck how good a lawyer you are

          America has caught on to the fucking liars from texas

          we ask “What’s the matter with Kansas” cuz we already know what the fuck is wrong with texas

          texas is a state full of born liars, nuff said

          cept for Molly Ivins, people from texas are incapable of telling the truth

          if texas don’t like it, let them find somebody from texas who HASN’T lied to us in the past year

          can’t do it, can you ???

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          Who else from Texas hasn’t lied? Jim Hightower!
          (Gotta love a guy who once described Dan Quayle as ’so dumb he thinks that Cheerios are donut seeds’

          A bit OT, but read a report (McClatchy) in which Pakistanis in some cities were/are burning car tires (!). Presumably, they don’t recognize how toxic that is…? Extremely carcinogenic. Makes me shudder to even think of it; it’s just hard to see angry people only harm themselves worse. Ickkkkkk!!!!!!!
          Bad politics is bad for human health.

        • freepatriot says:

          thanks for the smile

          and about those burning tires:

          might be toxic and shit, but they make a DAMN NOTICABLE beacon though

          even a blind man can’t miss a burning tire

  11. bigbrother says:

    Here is a link to NYT it gives a goos line on the runup to the reinjection of Mrs. Bhutto into the volitile Palistani politics http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12…..ref=slogin

    This was engineered by Negroponte! This was throwing her into the lions den. We need impeachment who knows what other nightm,ares bushc has on the back burner. For sure they are incouraging PPP to demonstrate and raise kane. The corporate interest in Islamabad are involved.
    Impeach.

    • skdadl says:

      From the NYT article:

      The assassination highlighted, in spectacular fashion, the failure of two of President Bush’s main objectives in the region: his quest to bring democracy to the Muslim world, and his drive to force out the Islamist militants who have hung on tenaciously in Pakistan, the nuclear-armed state considered ground zero in President Bush’s fight against terrorism, despite the administration’s long-running effort to root out Al Qaeda from the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

      How can any intelligent adult write glurge like that? That is total fantasy, total. At no point have the Bush administration given a damn whether Pakistan was “on the road to democracy” — why do the editors of the paper of record allow their reporters to publish daytime-television clichés like that?

      The news about Negroponte’s failed visit is interesting, though, perhaps a measure of how incurably naïve the State Department has been. So maybe they did talk Bhutto into putting herself into danger they couldn’t possibly control.

      Och, Graham Greene — where are you when we really need you?

      • Hmmm says:

        How can any intelligent adult write glurge like that? That is total fantasy, total. At no point have the Bush administration given a damn whether Pakistan was “on the road to democracy” — why do the editors of the paper of record allow their reporters to publish daytime-television clichés like that?

        Not to defend the NYT writers, but I notice that it may make more sense if you look at the fallout as shredding W’s public story, rather than shredding his actual objectives. The public stoy — not that I’ve ever bought it either, I haven’t — has in fact consistently stressed bringing Democracy to the region.

        • freepatriot says:

          Not to defend the NYT writers, but I notice that it may make more sense if you look at the fallout as shredding W’s public story, rather than shredding his actual objectives. The public stoy — not that I’ve ever bought it either, I haven’t — has in fact consistently stressed bringing Democracy to the region.

          it might also make sense if you understand that we’re talking about several different layers of bullshit here

          none of the layers of bullshit makes sense when the deeper layer is exposed

          and some of the layers of bullshit don’t make sense, in and of themselves either

          take the idea of “Bringing Democracy To The Region”; we’ve never truly supported a “Democratic Election” in the region. Mostly because the “Democratic Elections” in the region always result in landslide wins for people who want to attack America. Iran, Iraq, Algeria, the list is endless. Our current treatment of Hamas (a “Democratically Elected” political entity) is a good example of what happens to a “Democratically Elected” Mid East Government

          so bringing democratic elections to the region might not be the best idea, and we’ve never actually supported one, but george bush keeps telling everybody that we do

          so it must be true, right ???

          we went thru the fucking looking glass in November of 2000

          welcome to bushworld

        • skdadl says:

          Since when has the public story of the newspaper of record been identical to the public story retailed by a political leader?

          That is the problem. Ok: it’s just one of the problems, but it is a big problem. And that report is written partly in the language of daytime soaps. G.W. Bush has been on a “quest”? Really: somebody has got to shame the the NYT out of this stuff.

  12. JodiDog says:

    We do not get to pick the dogs in the fight
    over there is that forsaken land.

    We can only choose which of the dogs present
    that we will back.
    And that dog must be capable of winning or
    we are worse off than if we picked no dog
    at all.

    The leader of that country is the cork on
    the nuclear bottle, and we need a tight fit.

  13. Minnesotachuck says:

    bmaz
    @13: Where was the mandatory spew alert prior to your channeling of Confucius?

    @17: The operative physical law is not Special Relativity from Einstein. It’s the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Under Bush-Cheney the entropy (aka disorder) of American national security is approaching infinity.

  14. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Of course, those are both pipe dream scenarios and the US will have very little influence over whether they could happen. Which given the clusterfuck that is the Bush foreign policy, may well be a good thing.

    Precisely. Which should lead the careful or informed among our political leaders to forego using this very Pakistan-based event as the rationale for more gutting of our Constitution, our civil liberties, Congressional oversight and independence of the judiciary.

    Ms. Bhutto’s assassination was predictable, perhaps probable: it was attempted on the day of her return from exile two months ago and cost 140 lives then. Answers to the questions who and why might be helpful, if we could ever discover them with any certitude. But the paradigm of events in Pakistan is no model on which to base our laws or procedures. It could, however, be a useful reality check on how little we can control events other than by demonstrating the virtues of a civil society, the peaceful transfer of power between diametrically opposed parties, and making our better aspirations into reality. (The latter Mr. Bush has done; but Americans harbor higher aspirations than not getting caught when knowingly and purposely breaking the law for private gain or political power.)

    • freepatriot says:

      We have known that folks in Texass are liars for a long time; they keep telling us the Cowboys are good….

      that’s a lie

      the Cowboys ain’t good

      they’re GREAT

      BIG difference

      if the dolphins are lucky, Mr Bill will make them great too

      • BlueStateRedHead says:

        OT, but it gives me a chance to agree with Freepatriot that it’s time for some football trash talk, even though its means that Mr. Freepatriot will feel free to trash the patriots, i.e. by calling them overrated again. In any case, I’d rather see us trashing football teams than fellow commenters. (Just leave the Red Sox out of it, Mr FrPa, o.k.?)

        • bmaz says:

          Ooooh. I am anxiously awaiting EW’s trash talk thread so I can gleefully chirp in with what games she negligently omitted discussion on…. Heh heh

        • BlueStateRedHead says:

          oooh is right.

          Well, let me see if I can get our ‘girl’ going. Here my most esteemed EW is a talking point taken from your own playbook–an ugly mixed metaphor but On Topic because we will quote her:

          “Given my well-known complaint with those who have long underplayed the importance of [INSERT NAME OF TEAM] in our TRASH TALK debates, I feel like I have to say something about the [figurative] assassination of [INSERT NAME OF TEAM AND SINCE IT IS NOT LIKE TO BE THE PATRIOTS, WE CAN INTERJECT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN JUST AS A TRIAL BALLOON]

          .

          *g*

        • freepatriot says:

          even though its means that Mr. Freepatriot will feel free to trash the patriots, i.e. by calling them overrated again.

          uhmm, it’s confession time folks:

          I still got New York Giants memorabilia from when Mr Bill coached there (I hated montana and theisman so much that my three favorite words we “JOE GOES DOWN”

          I followed Mr Bill to the Patriots (and I still got a soft spot for them, but no memorabilia though). I was briefly a Tampa Bay fan when Mr Bill was rumored to be going there. And I even rooted for the New York Jets (and vinny the testicle too) honest, I did

          Then Mr Bill went to Dallas. That was hard for me. I hated Dallas ever since they lost Superbowl IV (don’t ask me why, I was like 8 years old or something)

          so I reluctantly became a Dallas fan (after a brief interlude with “Chucky” in Tampa). As some of you might now realize, I’m in the process of becoming a ‘fins fan. The NFL is all about Mr Bill to me (but I do like Wade Phillips, and I really respect Bum Phillips)

          I consider the New England dynasty to be a creation of Bill Parcells, so when Dallas and New England meet in the Superbowl, I’m really gonna be enjoying the spectacle of what Mr Bill has created. Not just one, but TWO great teams

          now that we got that out of the way

          GO GNTS

          (guess I’m getting kinda defensive bout that “perfect season” thing already)

          sorry to go all off-topic an stuff, but that other football thread is jinxed or something

          gotta go, c ya later

        • BlueStateRedHead says:

          Thanks FrPat. That was really interesting for the toddler football fan that I am.

          Now that the Big Tuna will be swimming with the ‘Fins, it will be more interesting. We can start with a compare and contraste quiz of Pat’s coaches, Mr. P and Mr. B.

          and, as for OT, Friday is Football talk day, ain’t it.
          I have to go as well.

      • emptywheel says:

        You know, I was going ot point out to bmaz that, unlike in past eyars, the Cowboys really are good this year. But a lot of that derives from havign a very un Jerry Jones coach. So they’re good against their inherent nature.

  15. LS says:

    “Pakistan is Bush’s ground zero in the war on terror” is some kind of new “talking point”, because I’ve heard it about 10 times in the last 24 hours. They are suddenly putting that out there for a reason.

    • freepatriot says:

      Pakistan is Bush’s ground zero in the war on terror” is some kind of new “talking point”, because I’ve heard it about 10 times in the last 24 hours. They are suddenly putting that out there for a reason.

      okay everybody, let’s all get ready to do our “Inigo Montoya” act in unision

      YOU KEEP ON USING THAT WORD, I THINK MAYBE THAT WORD DOESN’T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS

      how many ground zeros are there in bush’s “war on terra” ???

      inconcievable

  16. Hmmm says:

    Has anyone seen any indication yet that the shooter-bomber has been identified? I would have expected that by now, even if (and I hope, Dear Reader, you can forgive me the rest of this sentence) his or her body was blown to tiny bits. So while I definitely agree with EW’s overriding point that at best only time will reveal to us what has happened, I can’t help wondering whether an effort might be under way within Pakistani officialdom to conceal the shooter-bomber’s identity.

    • emptywheel says:

      I’ve seen reports that they’ve IDed the guy–and that’s the basis of teh AQ claims. But I also saw reports they were still matching DNA of bits of face to bits of arm and other bits of face to make sure tehy’ve got the right blown to bits bits.

      • Hmmm says:

        Thx for the add’l info on ID’ing the perp — interesting about DNA-matching the body parts to the face. Gee this is grim, but I wonder how they know which of the several blown-to-bits faces is the perp. I hope it’s by photos and not eyewitness report. Because any entity capable of pulling this off could certainly also manage to have an AQ guy standing right next to the shooter-bomber at detonation time, and a bunch of planted witnesses nearby as well.

        (Apologies to all if this is just yet another instance of my suspicious nature flaring up again.)

  17. Hmmm says:

    Further thought — Let us not forget Sharif’s recent quality time with the Saudis. A Sharif victory in the election would therefore not greatly surprise, especially if followed by otherwise unexpected partial accommodation/reconciliation with the Musharraf power bloc.

    I.e. Quoth Mush + USG, to Sharif, via the Sauds, in Saudi Arabia, back in the autumn: “If Bhutto should for some reason become unable to serve, then you may be able to win in January. Should that comes to pass, just remember that if Bhutto can be neutralized, so can you.”

    • skdadl says:

      Sorry if I sounded a little starchy there, Hmmm. I find this all very upsetting because it is having unhappy repercussions in my country too, also run at the moment by some, ah, curious people.

      • Hmmm says:

        No worries. I would like to hear more about the situation in your country — You’re UK, right? Pakistanis not exactly personna grata there. When I lived in London in the early 80’s I used to buy dinners from a Pakistani take-away in South Kensington, and was really struck by the English attitude towards the people who worked there. Remnants of the Fall of Empire.

        • skdadl says:

          Oh, no. I am trouble of a much closer kind. I’m in Canada, and our prime minister and defence minister spent Christmas spinning Iran as the main cause of our problems in Afghanistan. So, y’know, I am not a happy camper.

        • Hmmm says:

          Ah sorry, wrong Queen-worshipping English-speaking nation. I should think that the US would be a significantly more proximate cause for Canada’s perils in Afghanistan than Iran. (But then again I should think that RCMPs in a circle would make more sense with rifles pointing outward than inward.)

  18. bigbrother says:

    black site in Pakistan…seems stupid to try to takeover a country that hates us by and our ally India using a “friendly” to install. Maybe the outcome was a foregone conclusion so that the Sunni that the Saudis like would win the election and Bushco throws
    Musaraff under the bus with Bhutto. In a deal with Saudis. So like the r’s to turn on their allies like the Northern Kurds recently. It’s not foreign policy it is spook stuff. Far fetched?

    • Hmmm says:

      That reminds me. If Pakistan becomes significantly weakened, India may be tempted to take advantage of the opportunity in some way. We haven’t hear much concern about India/Pakistan war lately, but I would worry about that aspect of destabilization at least as much as the ‘terrists might get the Pakistani nukes’ meme that’s been getting all the press lately.

  19. Hmmm says:

    Meme’s gone MSM: CNN headlining Three causes of Death for Bhutto in 36 Hours

    CNN national security analyst Ken Robinson, who worked in U.S. intelligence in Pakistan during the Clinton administration, said he suspects Bhutto’s enemies are attempting to control her legacy by minimizing the attack’s role in her demise.

    “They’re trying to deny her a martyr’s death, and in Islam, that’s pretty important,” Robinson said.

    We are so out of our depth here, culturally speaking.

  20. Hmmm says:

    Sorry for all the posts in a row, but NYT now reporting on a not wholly unBurma-like lockdown in Pakistan:

    To prevent the violence from spreading, the government ordered an almost complete shutdown of services. Officials suspended much train service, and most domestic flights. Gas stations across the country were closed, making it virtually impossible to make long journeys by car. Roads were closed around city centers, and television and Internet services were shut down or operated only sporadically in most cities.

  21. Teaeopy says:

    After the recent National Intelligence Estimate release and after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, George W. Bush can’t still be considering attacking Iran, can he? It’s almost January.

  22. JamesJoyce says:

    Bennie Bhutto…. Bush’s and the neocon’s sacrificial lamb. Since the US was involved with the coup which hung her father in 79′, why should anything be different this time? The entire scenario stinks like decomposing oraganic mastter. The adminstration used the inevitable slaughter of this women to effect greater instability, to win the election, for republicans… Unfortunately the politics of fear if backfired in Pakistan, can have devastating consequenses, unlike Saddam or the 1-100 chance to pull off 911, by terrorists. Chris Dodd on w/ Blitzer this afternoon made the most sense I’ve heard yet. In fact America would be a fool not to tap into his experience. Should the instability created by Bhuttos assasination implode, they have ready and able nukes. THis is no fucking test run here folks, this is seroius shit!!

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