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emptywheel2006-07-26 15:53:002006-07-26 15:53:00From the Department of Colossally Bad Ideas
Bi-Partisan Joe The Next War and Phase II
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The DCBI is obviously the only one still functioning in this Administration.
Well, if one good thing would come out of getting sucked into trying to be peacekeepers in Lebannon, it would be we would have absolutely no one left with which to start a war with Iran….
zeppo
That’s just sick. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. But you’re right.
Then again, we don’t have anyone now.
what happens if Hezbollah doesn’t lose ???
guess Israel never considered that one
must have spent all that planning time figuring out how to clean up all the flowers and candy that was supposed to shower the IDF as they invaded Lebennon
this will just take a minute
maybe just a few days
we’ll be done in a week
we just need a few more weeks
we’re not really occupying lebennon
can ANYBODY please help us occupy lebennon
if hezbollah gets on top, Israel is in for a world of hurt
better start teaching the Israeli kids to tread water, cuz Hezbollah ios kicking Israel’s ass
anybody here remember â€The Waco Kid†???
The US/Israeli plan to decimate Hezbollah by devastating Lebanon is fast rolling off the rails. With the collapse of the Rome talks today and an unwillingness of any sane country to get in the middle of a shooting gallery means no prospect of cessation of hostilities in the immediate future.
If the Cheneyites order US troops as part of the â€international force†we can be certain that Hezbollah will object and very likely so will Lebanon and the the US Arab â€allies†– Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. All this would do is inflame passions among the Arab street further and the Shia in particular.
The US/Israeli plan that with Israel’s substantial military superiority and with US tactical support of immediate jet fuel and precision munitions reinforcements they would be able to bring Hezbollah to heel is fast going awry.
First, Hezbollah is proving to be a more determined and disciplined battlefield foe than even past Arab state armies. The Israeli’s are running into substantial resistance and taking serious casualties even in capturing towns like Maroun Ras and Bint Jbail that are only a few miles from the Israeli border. It seems from reading Israeli news reports they have been capturing and subduing Maroun Ras since last Saturday. And tens of Katyusha rockets are being launched every day since Israel’s major offensive into Lebanon. Now, it would seem that to achieve Israel’s objective of destroying Hezbollah would mean a massive land invasion with tens of thousands of IDF troops. So rather than a quick victory and demonstration of the punitive nature of Israeli responses that would allow negotiations on US/Israeli terms we could have a prolonged war of attrition between the IDF and Hezbollah fighters.
On the perception front, US/Israel have already lost the Arab street and passions are getting more inflamed. This is being reflected in the response of the US aligned governments in Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia that initially welcomed teaching Hezbollah a lesson but now are bleating about for an immediate cease-fire. With the UK now getting upset over the use of a Scottish airport to transit US arms to Israel, how long before the Europeans, Russians and Chinese start blaming the US for the continued civilian carnage in Lebanon?
The Chenyites Middle East policy is enabling the unfolding of a serious and wider Middle East conflagration. But with the Dems caught in a vice with no ability to criticize the Chenyites current position and in fact out cheering them in their unabashed support for the Israeli response, is there any leadership available in the country to prevent the conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Lebanon from spreading and consuming the entire Middle East?
What if the whole mideast mess is not a â€big mistakeâ€- what if it is â€THE PLAN†?
US troops in Lebanon might be another front in the US/Israel war on the Middle East. After they decimate the whole region, they are going to â€remake†it – thus, bringing a whole â€new order†to the region. Scary.
Should it be any surprise that Neocon warhawks in the DOD who concocted the phoney reasons for invasion of Iraq were/are strongly connected to Israel’s powerful lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and that in 2003 they were already concocting the means to convince Bush to also attack Iran. Now some of these same madmen, aided by Gingrich and others, are again beating the wardrums to go after Iran and calling for ouster of Condi Rice because she isn’t hawkish enough.
Read the fascinating and scary story in Rolling Stone, â€Iran the Next Warâ€, about how these creeps work their black craft in the DOD and White House.
These crafty Neocon creeps are surely the ones floating the notion to deploy US troops as â€peacekeepers†in Lebanon. Iran’s Hezbollah proxies killing American soldiers in Lebanon would be just the ticket for triggering an all out US attack on Iran, the Neocon’s and Endtimes crowd wet-dream come true. Bush is such a vacuous clueless idiot Rummy and Cheney won’t have to exert much effort on him to get us into another bigtime Middle-East shooting match. Let’s hope cooler heads prevail, but if US troops are commited to Lebanon, turn loose your inner capitalist; back up the truck and load up with every oil and gas stock you can get your hands on.
Seems like only twentysomething years ago that the US was getting in between Israel and those they were fighting in Lebanon. And we know how that turned out. Jeez, does anyone study history anymore? Does anyone remember anything other than what time the latest â€inanity show†comes on?
I think we are seeing what one might call a ’Stalingrad moment’ in southern Lebanon. The Neocons and Likudniks who launched the attack on Lebanon thought that it would be a quick and dirty two weeks, after which a conference would be called to legitimize it. Hence the big stall. Hizbollah’s defensive (and offensive) capability caught Isreal’s command completely off guard; the larger towns in the South are mini-Stalingrads. The more they get bombed, the harder it is for Israeli troops to take them without taking significant casualties. This can turn out to be the worst kind of war of attrition for Israel.
The unknown factor in all this is whether Hizbollah can maintain its food and ammunition supply line, or to put it another way, how much they have in reserve. The US and Israeli commands are clearly counting on exhausting those supplies soon. Time will tell, as it always does, but if it takes another two weeks, whatever Israel wins will be pyrrhic. If they can’t finish this off quickly, the Saudi’s are going to weigh in with the oil arm.
I agree on all counts, knut. And we’re about to create our own huge Stalingrad by trying to bring Baghdad into control.
I’m actually very curious what Blair will say on his upcoming visit. Blair could just accelerate the withdrawal of UK troops, which would put us in a tremendous bind. I think the Brits are still supplying 15% of the troops in Iraq.
Is anyone really on the side of the xenobots, Hezbollah?
It is a false choice to checkerboard the middle east with
black or white positions. There are no good guys, only less bad guys. But ’less-bad’ does not require us to excuse what is
reckless disregard for innocent life, when it is eclipsed by
deeds which have innocent slaughter as the objective. Hezbollah
miliita can die a slow and painful death without sympathy from me.
Now that the neocons have declared this is ’america’s war’ I suggest more posts on the need for those who symbolize the right wing to step up and enlist or volunteer for some kind of duty.
Otherwise ’Chickenhawk’ eruptions will increase exponentially, and will have to be served ’kosher’.
If the Israelis really wanted genuine multinational support they wouldn’t be showing (at best) reckless disregard for the lives of NGO reps already present. It appears that what they want is to bomb the area beyond recognition and kill or drive out every living thing . . . and then probably, reoccupy the land. Nobody’s going to stop them, so why wouldn’t they?
What if they held a war(s) and nobody came… except the poor people in the US military?
All the endless fighting and killing and unjustified slaughter of innocents to fulfill errant foreign policy just adds to the despair which permeates the world. It is so overwhelmingly wrong-minded that it stifles creative thought, stagnating progressive, constructive solutions. Where can we go in the face of this relentless carnage, stupidity of â€leaders†and unfocused rage against â€the other?â€
It seems so simple to me: give everyone what he wants, territorially, guarantee it with treaties, and, above all, stop killing people as a means to â€solve†problems. Why this is so hard for Israel, US, and the other side’s proxies, Hamas and Hizbollah, is simply too much money and too much armaments making too much money for the usual suspects. Find out how your representatives voted on this and refuse to vote again for them in the next election, sending them a letter of that intent. Short of taking to the streets, what option is left for the citizen who is outraged and alarmed.
The dreadful hitch – how do you â€give everyone what he wants,†when the Israelis and Palestinians want the same land?
When you cut through all the baggage, Israel is fundamentally just another Middle East minority community, like Shias in Lebanon, Sunnis in Iraq, and Kurds everywhere. They operate on the premise that if have to ethnically cleanse the other guy, or he will ethnically cleanse you.
Thus the grotesque absurdity of Condi Rice going around talking about a â€lasting†peace, and all the neocon blather about â€transformation.†Not in the foreseeable future.
Peace in the Middle East is a day by day thing – each day of peace is a day people aren’t getting killed, and communal hatreds aren’t getting pumped up. As Churchill said, jaw jaw jaw is better than war war war. With time enough and luck, peace might eventually become a habit, and the tribal hatreds go the way of English v French, etc.
Not any time soon, and certainly not with the â€strategy†of fighting fire with gasoline.
â€the dreadful hitchâ€â€¦ now why did I think of Hitchens? I didn’t think Hitchcock, I didn’t think sandwich or Manwich… maybe it’s the Caliban in Hitchens I recall so well.
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Bingo.
My hope is that in November the Republicans are swept out of both the Senate and the House, and that Democrats finally stop pissing their pants and hold the administration to account for all the fiascos it has engineered. My hope is that these Neo-con fascist swine are finally charged with all the crimes they’ve committed, the damage they have done to the moral fabric of America.
But guess what?
It isn’t going to happen because we have entered a new age. One in which a steady, relentless barrage of Neocon LIES are meekly accepted by a brain-dead electorate. Half of Americans still believe–despite all the evidence–that Sadam had WMD and played a part in 9/11. Can you believe it? It’s absolutely astonishing. And depressing.
[John Bolton] suggested that one of the reasons why the U.S. has resisted calls for immediate cease fire in the region is that it wants to generate a â€comprehensive solutionâ€. He said â€we need to use current circumstances as a fulcrum to move towards a more stable, longer term solution.â€
(Steve Clemons, who is blogging the Bolton hearings.)
yo semanticleo
you might find sympathy in the dictionary, but I have none to spare for either side in this fight. I’m not a sympathetic person, never have been, never will be
I’m cynical, pessimistic, and calculating. I don’t give a shit which side wins, I just want to be betting on the winner. I don’t care if it’s beanbag, football, politics, or war. I just digest the data and tell you the possible outcomes
I use cold hearted calculation to determine the logical outcomes, regardless of subjective judgements
my cold hearted judgement tells me that Hezbollah is kicking Israel’s ass. I don’t like it or dislike it. I just deal with it
so wrap you mind around the fact that Hezbollah CAN win this fight
what then ???
And the total bonus for the Rethugs? The Iraeli mess is guaranteed to split the Dems apart…just before an crucial election! You’d almost think this was part of their calculations.