1. Anonymous says:

    Good post, good point.

    I think the public is way ahead of the punditry on this one. On Matthews’ show yesterday Andrew Sullivan claimed conservative disaffection stemmed from the budget problems. David Gregory said that every time Congresspeople go back to their districts, what they hear about is complaints about the Iraq fiasco.

    In the SF Chronicle this am there was a long article about disaffection in the GOP heartland (San Diego County) that was peripherally about the special election in CA-50 (disaffected R’s interviewed at a Francine Busby house party) but more about the disaffection itself. Iraq was a big part of it, and person after person said we are no safer. They seemed to realize he had gone after the wrong target.

    You are right. The fundamental question is, if fighting terror is worth the loss of our civil liberties, why aren’t we winding down Iraq so we can concentrate on it? And why is Afghanistan trying a man for converting to Christianity, with death as the possible penalty? And if we aren’t trying to curb terrorists (other than Zarqawi), and this is really all about increasing the power of the executive, let’s get that on the table.

  2. Anonymous says:

    ew – Off topic for you. I really want to start reading books to further educate myself regarding why we are where we are. There are so many out there I don’t know where to start. Yesterday my sister told me none of this affects her and her husband, I told her it does. She said their opinion is â€love it or leave itâ€. Is that what she is telling me, I asked? She said that it sounds like I do not like things, so therefore…She stated Plame not under cover, I rattled off NOC, etc. Didn’t sink in w/her (they watch Faux News). Oh well. Anyway, I would appreciate your thoughts on how to expand my thoughts. Thank you. (Any other commenter’s suggestions would be welcome, also.)

  3. Anonymous says:

    Mimikatz,

    Well said, particularly your last paragraph.

    I’m very fascinated with the CA-50 election this year. I lived in Poway (home of the Wilkes mafia, affectionately referred to as CowPie) in high school. And my SD Chamber of Commerce father was involved in Republican politics (though not, AFAIK, involved in graft and corruption). But folks like my dad were the exception in that corner of the county: he had no connection to either the military or the Mormon Church (about 1/2 of my friends’ folks were military in some sense, and 1/6 of the high school was LDS). In other words, it’s a conservative area, but with two very specific groups pushing those politics. But it works out to be an interesting demographic, managing to be both ultra conservative and very cosmopolitan at the same time. So it’ll be interesting to see how that very SoCal inland empire demographic responds to the election.

    Ardant

    I’m curious what you’re looking for. Do you want to be better prepared to convince your sister she’s a nut? You’d have to say more about why she’s a nut. For example, my brother’s a nut who fancies himself a libertarian, so I beat him up over how much he relies on the government. Is your sister a nut because she believes what she’s told? I’ve made some progress with people like that by asking about sourcing. â€How does Fox know this?†It’s a hard question for Fox nuts to answer, and certainly gets them thinking.

    But if you’re talking more generally, I’d say three favorite general books for a perspective on the world are:

    Kevin Phillips, Wealth and Democracy. Phillips just came out with a new book on theocracy and oil, which is getting great press. But I go back to Wealth and Democracy because it gives a superb overview of the relationship between accumulations of wealth and the type of government, as well as the cyclical failure of empires as their economies become entirely dependent on financial markets rather than real economic activity.

    David Fromkin, A Peace to End All Peace. This is a history of the British involvement in the ME during and following the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It provides a lot of great background to the problems of the ME (basically a snapshot of the rise of the modern ME). And it’s uncanny the degree to which we are repeating all the British mistakes in the Middle East.

    Daniel Yergin, The Prize. This is a history of the oil age. Its analysis of WWI and WWII explains why our country is so desperate to dominate access to oil, basically arguing that the guy with the oil supplies wins the war. And it also details the rise of the public-private partnership between big oil and our government.

    None of these are going to make you happy with things as they are. But they’re invaluable for giving a wide-ranging perspective on why we’re in the state we’re in.

  4. Anonymous says:

    I second all of the books mentioned by ew, although I have not read them yet. Steve Coll’s Ghost Wars, a Pulitzer winner for general nonfiction, was very helpful. I do not know of any good overarching book about Iraq, although I would like to find Anthony Shahid’s at some point.
    Oren, Six Days of War! Oren, Six Days of War! Will not explain â€the worldâ€, but may get you moving further into Israeli/Palestinian history.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Of course, the Administration’s answer to this is that it all has to be a secret. The larger truth behind your post is that there is no (and I mean none, not even a hint of) evidence that all these expanded powers and nasty techniques have helped at all in our fight against Bin Laden and crew. In fact, there’s plenty of evidence that every single unprecedented technique that the Administration claims is essential has done more harm than good.

    Torture – No useful intelligence gathered and plenty of new enemies created because many of those we’ve tortured were completely innocent.

    Rendition – Same as above.

    Ilegal domestic wiretapping – No plots uncovered, just a lot of wasted time for the FBI.

    Illegal physical searches??? – ???

    A little personal note for folks who don’t think this affects them. Back in the early eighties, I was in grad school in Austin. A couple of acquaintances of mine asked me to donate to their latest cause. They were members of CISPES (Committee In Solidarity with the People of El Salvador). I didn’t agree with all of the group’s tactics (too much publicity-seeking, not enough actually helping people, in my opinion), but they were at least trying to oppose our government’s stupidly wrong policies in Central America. Anyway, I gave them $5 (in cash, it was my lunch money). Of course, they added my name to their donor list (I didn’t ask to be anonymous). A few years later I found out that an informant in Dallas had convinced the FBI that they were planning terrorist activities. The FBI pulled more than one â€black bag†warrantless search of their Austin offices and did workups on all their contributers. I assume that included me.

    Fast forward 20+ years to today. I work with lots of Arabs and other Moslems (not to mention Hindus, Brits, Africans, etc. Software development is a very international field). I’m just waiting for the day when I become the link that TIA discovers between â€Islamo-fascists†and â€Commie sympathizersâ€. Pretty bizarre for a Baptist preacher’s kid.

  6. Anonymous says:

    To keep harping on one of my minor obsessions, it’s surprising how much of what you describe in this post was at the heart of the film Farenheit 911 — spying on peace groups while leaving the Oregon coast unguarded by anyone but a part time deputy; letting cigarette lighters and matches on board airplanes but not breast milk; being super sensitive to the needs of the Bush family’s mid-east cronies.

    Many of the people who were outraged by the Dubai ports deal — especially the Republicans — were probably hyperventilating back in 2004 about how unfair Moore was to portray Bush as in cahoots with rich Gulf Arab businessmen such as Bandar Bush and the bin Ladens.

    How would waving goodbye to the bin Ladens without interviewing them go over today? Even with Republicans.

    It’s curious that lately the courtier media don’t attack Bush’s critics as being in league with Michael Moore and MoveOn.org. The last time I heard that one was when it was used against Jack Murtha at the very beginning of his conversion to peacenik. Has Moore lost his status as a boogeyman?

    One thing Moore included in his movie that we should never forget is how much suffering this Republican power grab and right wing wankfest has caused and how unjustly the burdens have been born by the poor and disadvantaged.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Another area that it is important to understand is economics, specifically how the GOP has been transferring wealth from us to them (the top 1%) for decades. David Cay Johnston’s book â€Perfectly Legal†talks about the last few years. William Greider’s â€Who Will Tell The People?†shows how it was done in the Reagan years. He has undoubtedly written something since, besides his â€Nation†columns.

  8. Anonymous says:

    ew — no disagreement with the thought of this post, but I think we need to try to get rid of the whole â€war on terrorism†construction of what we are in. There are some very dangerous state-less fanatics who wish to do harm to people in the U.S., maybe even the U.S. itself. It is the duty of government to protect the people and polity from these dangerous enemies. Our current administration is doing a piss poor job of its duty.

    But that doesn’t make what we are in a â€war.†The â€war†metaphor supports the misappropriation of powers. But also, it traps us in swamps of unwinnable challenges: think â€war on drugs,†â€war on cancer,†even â€war on poverty.â€

    The policy hole GWB has thrown us into is not a war. The more of us who understand that and help our leaders develop more rational understandings of our situation, the more chance we have to get a country back that would be worth living in.

  9. Anonymous says:

    janinsanfran

    I agree with you absolutely. One of the reasons I wrote this post, though, is it’s a question our representatives ought to be asking before they even begin to talk about the NSA program. Because, if you ask it, you will expose the fact that they’re not doing what they’ve promised to do even according to the terms they have chosen to use to frame it. They say they are fighting a war. Fine then, prove it. If you’re not fighting a war, then all question of NSA spying comes off the table. And then we can get into a conversation about adequately protecting us from terror.

    My complaint here is that almost everyone has fallen into the administration’s trap of accepting the larger category â€war†to justify the NSA program, rather than examining the more specific justification they claim they’re using, the WOT.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Yes! janinsanfran. Yes. Yes. Yes.

    There are two issues here – incompetence and bad policy – and I’m becoming increasingly disturbed by the single-minded focus on the first to the practical exclusion of the second. (I’m not saying you’re falling for that, ew; your followup comment shows you’re obviously not.) But this is a widespread, and imo, pernicious theme throughout left wwwLand.

    —

    Those are good book recommendations, at least the four I’ve read. When it comes to the oil story, however, I much prefer Anthony Sampson’s Seven Sisters: The Great Oil Companies and The World They Shaped. It’s 30 years old, so it’s missing a few pieces, but it still provides a good foundation for how oil politics got us where we are.

  11. Anonymous says:

    One addition to your list of evidence that they’re not taking the â€WOT†seriously: The repeated botching of the very few criminal cases that have been brought against putative terrorists. Moussoui’s trial is only the latest, and the frequency with which they mess up these high profile cases leads me, when I happen to have the tin chapeau on, to wonder if it is by design. Are there things the Powers that Be would prefer these suspects not tell us? Could botched prosecutions be a low-rent form of a pardon? Or is it just the same ol’ same ol’ incompetence and indifference when it comes to anything related to the greater public good?

  12. Anonymous says:

    Many thanks to everyone for taking the time to respond to my request for reading material. The generosity, intellect, and humor displayed on this site is superb. EW – you are my favorite. There, I said it.

  13. Anonymous says:

    kaleidoscope

    I meant to agree with you. Yes, Moore has been proved right again (he and Dean). I suspect in three years time folks will wonder how people managed to complain about Moore at all.

    MB/janinsanfran

    One more reason I framed this as I did, btw. Because I believe it will get our timorous Congressfolks to begin to move. They’re utterly incapable of making so radical a suggestion to say we ought to be prosecuting these terrorists, rather than warring against them. But it would be a lot easier for them to do so if they were to realize they’re clinging to a war that doesn’t exist.

    MB

    Will pick that up. Yergin’s a great apologist for the oil companies; while I think it valuable to read what the apologists say about themselves (in that, the book is remarkable for its honesty), it’s certainly a topic worth learning more about. Full disclosure: I once did a fair amount of work in the oil industry (including bidding a project with Alyeska Pipeline and managing folks working on projects for a precursor to Halliburton, among other things). So I’ve been in the belly of that beast.

    mamayaga

    Geez, you know Moussoaui’s trial was the first example I thought of. But then I forgot it with all the other excellent examples. Thanks for the reminder.

    Ardant

    Thanks–and thanks for sparking the provocative discussion about books.

  14. Anonymous says:

    â€But very little substantive about any progress we’re making at combatting Al Qaeda.â€
    Another, as per usual, great post, emptywheel, Bush’s policies are creating a lot more â€terrorists†than we are killing. On Charlie Rose, Feingold mentioned several times, the â€War on Al-Queda.†It seems to me this term, the â€War on Al-Queda†is a key Democratic soundbyte leading into midterms and beyond. Evidently Rumsfeld told Bush the â€metrics†of a war against Saddam would â€look better on teevee†than the â€metrics†of a war Al-Queda.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Bush is a liar Full Stop and he’s said so many things that are inconsitent he can’t remember anymore what it was he said… and that is sad!

    Cleveland, Ohio – Today 12:25 P.M. EST

    THE PRESIDENT:
    First, just if I might correct a misperception. I don’t think we ever said — at least I know I didn’t say that there was a direct connection between September the 11th and Saddam Hussein. We did say that he was a state sponsor of terror — by the way, not declared a state sponsor of terror by me, but declared by other administrations

    March 21, 2003
    Letter from the President
    I have also determined that the use of armed force against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organiza-tions, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001
    ——————-

    I think Libby should lent his memory expert to Bush he needs one

  16. Anonymous says:

    I was sort of surprised to see how clearly and openly National Intelligence Council’s so-called Project 2020 defines/discusses GWOT in relation to the purported goal of globalization.

    http://www.cia.gov/nic/NIC_2020_project.html

    â€The global driver in the current era of transnational terrorism is not America’s perceived role as imperial hegemon, nor its continued support for the state of Israel, but rather the historical reality of globalization’s progressive advance into traditional Islamic societies. There, people exist who are motivated to fight this penetration in the manner of all-out war…

    â€Understanding that the current era’s Global War on Terrorism is nothing more than the continuation of a long historical arc associated with the expansion of the functioning core of the global economy (traditionally defined by the market economy, free expression, and the opportunities they entail) is crucial to determining both the length of the strategic struggle ahead…â€

    Of course to make progress along these lines, you need a public pretext for actions that would normally be considered hostile and invasive. It therefore serves the interests of the ’functioning core’ to maintain the specter of islamo-facism within public discourse. In other words, the last thing you would want to do is actually capture Zarquawi or Bin Ladin.

  17. Anonymous says:

    With all the â€wars†on everything from scary things to poverty, the underlying assumption is that war (State sponsored violence) is THE way to â€combat†(rather than fix, never mind heal) things you don’t like. Or say you don’t like.

    War is being promoted as the only right thinking way to respond.

    Stopping violence with more violence.

    Fighting for peace

    Fucking for virginity.

    Almost everyone know the folly of â€The end justifies the means†because most people know the Means DETERMINES the End.
    Anyone promoting violence should have to show why this is not so.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Regarding reading matter, for â€deep background†I can’t recomment too highly Daniel Quinn’s novel â€Ishmaelâ€.
    If you haven’t read it, it’ll kmock you socks off, guaranteed!
    It will answer that feeling that there is something fundamentally wrong underlying our society. â€If we’re so smart, how come we have so many problems?â€

  19. Anonymous says:

    Well said, stiles.

    †In other words, the last thing you would want to do is actually capture Zarquawi or Bin Ladin.

    Posted by: sti1es | March 20, 2006 at 18:36 â€

    Or Emmanuel Goldstein!

  20. Anonymous says:

    You know, what I am really waiting to see in blogland is some discussion of the Iraqi constitution.

    For instance, the mechanism by which political districts can dissociate and recombine themselves into new regional districts seems highly dubious.

    I wonder why more people arn’t analyzing this right now? Isn’t the constitution the main reason Sunnis are disenfranchised? Isn’t this related to the secretarian violence that we now see?

    I am no expert on constitutions, but it seems like if we want to stablize the area and bring our troops home, we are going to have fix that constitution.

    A recap of last fall’s events would be a good start, e.g. when Bush failed to lead on the federalism issue at the Sunni’s behest. This seems like a job for the blogosphere.

  21. Anonymous says:

    FYI – Listed below is a summary of recommended reading materials provided throughout the thread today.

    Emptywheel:

    – Kevin Phillips, “Wealth and Democracyâ€. Phillips just came out with a new book on theocracy and oil, which is getting great press. But I go back to Wealth and Democracy because it gives a superb overview of the relationship between accumulations of wealth and the type of government, as well as the cyclical failure of empires as their economies become entirely dependent on financial markets rather than real economic activity.

    – David Fromkin, “A Peace to End All Peaceâ€. This is a history of the British involvement in the ME during and following the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It provides a lot of great background to the problems of the ME (basically a snapshot of the rise of the modern ME). And it’s uncanny the degree to which we are repeating all the British mistakes in the Middle East.

    – Daniel Yergin, “The Prizeâ€. This is a history of the oil age. Its analysis of WWI and WWII explains why our country is so desperate to dominate access to oil, basically arguing that the guy with the oil supplies wins the war. And it also details the rise of the public-private partnership between big oil and our government.

    – William Greider “One World Ready or Notâ€. A good book on globalization.

    – William Greider, â€The Soul of Capitalism.†Another proscriptive one on how to make capitalism a force for good.

    – David Korten’s, “When Corporations Rule the Worldâ€. IMO the best book on globalization. Followed closely by…

    – Joseph Stiglitz’ , “Globalization and Its Discontentsâ€.

    ***********************************

    4jkb4la:

    – Steve Coll’s, “Ghost Warsâ€, a Pulitzer winner for general nonfiction.

    – Anthony Shadid, “Night Draws Near : Iraq’s People in the Shadow of America’s War†(title wasn’t posted in original comment I concluded).

    – Michael B. Oren, “Six Days of War : June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle Eastâ€.

    ***********************************

    Mimikatz:

    – David Cay Johnston’s, â€Perfectly Legalâ€. Talks about the last few years.

    – William Greider’s, â€Who Will Tell The People?†Shows how it was done in the Reagan years.

    ***********************************

    Meteor Blades:

    – Anthony Sampson’s, “Seven Sisters: The Great Oil Companies and The World They Shapedâ€. (It’s 30 years old, so it’s missing a few pieces, but it still provides a good foundation for how oil politics got us where we are

    **********************************

    Griffon:

    – Daniel Quinn’s, â€Ishmaelâ€. It will answer that feeling that there is something fundamentally wrong underlying our society. â€If we’re so smart, how come we have so many problems?â€

  22. Anonymous says:

    As to books — many of those mentioned, particularly â€The Prize†— but in addition I would recommend Janet Wallach’s bio of Gertrude Bell, Desert Queen. (Anchor Books, 1996.) Gert Bell was the lady who spent 30 years in the desert doing geographical and archeological ventures, and upon whom the â€boys†depended when it came to drawing the lines on the map to make Iraq. She founded the museum in Baghdad that was looted at the beginning of the occupation, but she also committed suicide in the city when in 1924 it all seemed lost to her. Look at the pictures of the British Biggies — Churchill and Allanby and all standing in front of the Egyptian Pyramids, — and there is Gert in her big hat — and when you track the communications — Gert is there. She is also there when Woodrow Wilson wanted a map drawn that would create the right mandate.

    Janet Wallach who also with her husband did a bio of Arafat, did this bio of the British wonam who created Iraq, even to the point of nailing together the Indian tea chests to make a throne for an Iraqi monarchy. But Bell spoke seven Arabic dialects plus Farsi — and she made clear all the clan and tribal matters that needed to be addressed. And one of the reasons she committed suicide probably was because no one listened to her — either because they did not like the message, or because of her gender. This needs sorting out obviously.

    American Feminist Historians need to pay some attention to the not necessarily feminists in history. Gert Bell was not a feminist — but she was a female, and the only reason she was appointed a British Political Officer was because of World War One. — Janet Wallach does a grand job dealing with those qualifications — but why is she ignored? Nutered?

    Perhaps some don’t want to compare her knowledge and education and all with the folk whom Heritage brought in with the Conserative Vita’s and all — Gert had 30 years of rooted experience plus seven dialects of Arabic, and the guys that were going to reorganize everything had an ideology.

  23. Anonymous says:

    my pet goat ???

    not on the list ???

    empty wheel is my favorite too

    and I’m not ashamed to say it

    I say it all the time (on other blogs)

  24. Anonymous says:

    Another book worth reading is Matt Simmons â€Twilight in the Desertâ€. It provides an in-depth look at Saudi oil production and why its peaking soon. 90% of Saudi oil comes from 5 wells that have been producing for the past 40 years. And Simmons provides a nice counterpoint to Dan Yergin cheerleading for big oil.

    I don’t remember the title or author of this book that I read a few years ago that showed a strong correlation between rising commodity prices and geopolitical tensions leading to war. It made the case that the fall of the Soviet Union was not because of the Reagan arms build up but because commodity prices collapsed and devastated its economy. With the rise in oil, natural gas and metals prices Russia now has a trade surplus and huge dollar reserves. Its stock market index has risen from 50 in 1998 to 1400 today. And Putin has begun a major modernization and rearming of the Russian military. Chavez is putting Venezuela on an independent path and thumbing his nose at Bush as his economy is booming.

    Compare that to our financial situation. We need China, Russia and the PetroSheikhs to lend us $2 billion a day to pay our bills. As long as they are willing to accept our paper for their goods and resources the inevitable financial reckoning gets postponed. But one of these days they will take a stand against us on some issue and will have us over a barrel.

  25. Anonymous says:

    There is a good chance that both parties know full well the WoT is BS. Diebold (rigged elections) and the lack of real opposition to neocon madness are but two indications that this may indeed be the case. I would suggest the Democrats are feigning cowardice to disguise some form of complicity with the Republican/Bush administration agenda. Why? I wish I knew. Peak oil? Blackmail? Class warfare?

  26. Anonymous says:

    Ardant, I’ll suggest some books which may or may not be exactly what you’re interested in.

    â€Worse than Watergate†by John Dean, of Watergate fame, why dishonest leadership guarantees disaster – specifically applied to the â€â€™W’ Administration.†Nixon’s abuses lead to many of the laws that this administration would specifically like to destroy.

    â€The Lexus and the Olive Tree†by Thomas Friedman, an easier and brighter view of globalization than his new book â€The World is Flat,†— probably now also having some interesting historical perspecive.

    I also like â€The Prize†as ew mentioned, a great story and important history.

    I’ll add another one about dishonesty, â€Den of Thieves†by James Stewart. This is a fabulous book about insider trading on Wall Street, financial immorality. The massively flawed characters could easily inhabit many of the scandals percolating in DC (Delay et al, Abramoff et al, Cunningham et al… the Supine Republican Congress).

    â€The Global Soul†by Pico Iyer, one of my all time favorites, a semi-serious travelogue about living and working in many cultures. (Probably not what you want but I couldn’t help recommending it).

    I’m looking forward to reading some of the other good suggestions made earlier.

  27. Anonymous says:

    ew, mamayaga

    Geez, you know Moussoaui’s trial was the first example I thought of. But then I forgot it with all the other excellent examples. Thanks for the reminder.

    The http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00763.html had a good editorial on this on Monday. It also hits on how the military commissions, which were set up because they would be â€more efficient†than real judicial proceedings, have not yet tried a single suspect at Guantanamo, and how the screwups in the public cases further undermine the trustworthiness of the secret trials and procedures.